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According to the website above, Bruce Lee moved to Hong Kong with his wife and kids on Oct 11, 1971. Then May 4, 1972 flew to Rome to film Way of the Dragon. I recall many pictures of him in Rome with the smaller circular hole bracelet on what was likely the same 6139-6010, so the IG pic would be from '72. Towards the end of his life he wore a gold watch.

Again from that website timeline, which I have compared to other sources, it looks like he was not in Hong Kong to plan his relocation until March 1970. Well, he was there in 1965, but could not have got his 6010 then.
 
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I'm really impressed by your detective work.

We must also take into account that the just on-time supply chain did not exist as it does today, so there was more of a lag between the manufacture and the purchase of an item. A watch made in Japan in 1969 may not be sold in a retail outlet in another country for more than a year!
 
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So what can we TRUTHFULLY say about Bruce Lee's 6139-6610? I'd like to correct my 1st post if it is wrong. People may refer to this post in the future, and I want to be accurate.

HT has uncovered some pertinent info that I wish that I had.

Can we construct a timeline based on the photos and biographical detail?
 
Just did some digging on IG and found this photo there.
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There’s definitely no lume plot at the 9 o’clock mark but it doesn’t seem like there’s a white “5” shield logo there either... but again this photo isn’t exactly sharp...


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The 12 o’clock logo is blurry but clearly visible, but nothing at the nine.


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Thanks Seiko Hoarder for starting this discussion. Hopefully we can find a definitive answer.

The only thing I can confidently say at this time is that Bruce Lee did not buy his 6010 in person in Japan or Hong Kong because he was wearing it before he even travelled to Asia. However, as you said, the inventory systems of the day meant it would be difficult for a new watch to be available in another country so quickly after the product launch in its home market. So how did he get it ...

I will try to narrow down when in '69 he was first seen wearing the watch and corroborate with the timeline. It seems there are fewer high quality color photos of him freely available now. I even read about some controversy amongst fans about sharing photos, but that is getting off-topic.
 
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Here is part of an article in the 6139 that agrees with my post, but based on what evidence?

I look forward to hearing more from Homeless Traveler. I think he's on to something.


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Thanks. That IG picture is actually one of the clearer ones when it comes to showing his watch. It looks like he had already replaced the previous Kreisler/Stelux bracelet on it. Was the bracelet in the IG pic a Seiko rally like the one from the 6139-8020?

Yes, it looks like his second bracelet was from a 6139-8020. It's too wide for the lugs.


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I found a few nuggets of information, but still no definitive answer about the Bruce Lee watch. Seiko's sole distributor in Southeast Asia is Thong Sia Co. (Singapore) PTE Ltd / Thong Sia Watch Co. / Thong Sia Group and it was appointed sole distributor at the end of 1963 according to one article in a Singapore daily. Their Hong Kong branch Thong Sia (HK) Co. Ltd. was established in early 1964.

Interestingly, Thong Sia Group was acquired by Stelux in the 2000s. Stelux is still Hong Kong-based, though the original Thong Sia in the 1960s was Singapore-based with overseas branches.

The reason I mention this is because the earliest Singapore newspaper advert I found for a 6139-6010 was from September 18, 1969. There were previous adverts by Thong Sia Co. (Singapore) PTE Ltd advertising various Seiko products, but not the 6139. If the JDM 6139s were released in May '69 and casedhongkong has in his possession a July '69 production 6010, we can safely assume that many Asian markets followed a few months later. The North American and rest of world markets might be an entirely different story.
 
Found this possibly very useful link, all credit to Getty Images.

That might be the earliest picture of Bruce Lee wearing the 6010. Although the caption in the above photo reads circa 1970, according to the timeline at https://bruceleewashere.com/timeline, his mother and brother visited him in Los Angeles on May 30, 1969. No idea how long they stayed, but it would probably be a matter of weeks not months, so let's say the picture in the link was June '69. That's only a month after the JDM release.

For some reason, my original hunch was that he bought his watch in California, but now I'm ruling that out. Still not definitive, but what do you all think? Should we be leaning again towards a JDM model because he was able to get it so quickly?
 
I found a few nuggets of information, but still no definitive answer about the Bruce Lee watch. Seiko's sole distributor in Southeast Asia is Thong Sia Co. (Singapore) PTE Ltd / Thong Sia Watch Co. / Thong Sia Group and it was appointed sole distributor at the end of 1963 according to one article in a Singapore daily. Their Hong Kong branch Thong Sia (HK) Co. Ltd. was established in early 1964.

Interestingly, Thong Sia Group was acquired by Stelux in the 2000s. Stelux is still Hong Kong-based, though the original Thong Sia in the 1960s was Singapore-based with overseas branches.

The reason I mention this is because the earliest Singapore newspaper advert I found for a 6139-6010 was from September 18, 1969. There were previous adverts by Thong Sia Co. (Singapore) PTE Ltd advertising various Seiko products, but not the 6139. If the JDM 6139s were released in May '69 and casedhongkong has in his possession a July '69 production 6010, we can safely assume that many Asian markets followed a few months later. The North American and rest of world markets might be an entirely different story.
Just wanted to add that JDM 6010 has been known to have production date as early as Jan 1969 before hitting the market by May. So it’s safe to say that a July 69’ produced non-JDM version probably wouldn’t be out on the market until a few months after. However I have no information on when the earliest production date is for non-JDM version. It just so happens that mine was made in July.


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Found this possibly very useful link, all credit to Getty Images.

That might be the earliest picture of Bruce Lee wearing the 6010. Although the caption in the above photo reads circa 1970, according to the timeline at The Web's Most Comprehensive Visual History of Bruce Lee's Life, his mother and brother visited him in Los Angeles on May 30, 1969. No idea how long they stayed, but it would probably be a matter of weeks not months, so let's say the picture in the link was June '69. That's only a month after the JDM release.

For some reason, my original hunch was that he bought his watch in California, but now I'm ruling that out. Still not definitive, but what do you all think? Should we be leaning again towards a JDM model because he was able to get it so quickly?
It does make sense that if he’s got it so soon after JDM release then it’s more likely to be a JDM version than not.


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Actually, your July '69 non-JDM 6010 is already the earliest production I've seen. I encountered one about a year ago that was produced Aug '69. I probably should have bought it, but I was not sure at the time what is the actual Bruce Lee 6010.

I played with the picture you found on IG. The lighting in the original picture makes the watch and bracelet look black, or at the very least a dark grey, so all the lume plots stand out even more. As you and Reynaldo have observed in an earlier post, the white shield in the '5' at the 9 o'clock position should show as well. However, I simply cannot get anything to show no matter how I play with the colors in the picture.
 
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Actually, your July '69 non-JDM 6010 is already the earliest production I've seen. I encountered one about a year ago that was produced Aug '69. I probably should have bought it, but I was not sure at the time what is the actual Bruce Lee 6010.

I played with the picture you found on IG. The lighting in the original picture makes the watch and bracelet look black, or at the very least a dark grey, so all the lume plots stand out even more. As you and Reynaldo have observed in an earlier post, the white shield in the '5' at the 9 o'clock position should show as well. However, I simply cannot get anything to show no matter how I play with the colors in the picture.
It's a later picture with a different bracelet, who's to say it's not a different watch as well?

He would have owned the 6010 for a couple of years by the time that photograph was taken, and people sometime buy two of something that they really like.

I'm just looking at all the possible scenarios.

By whom and on what basis was the JDM Speed-Timer originally identified as being THE Bruce Lee chronograph? It seems to be the only model associated with him in watch articles going back several years online.
 
Indeed, no possible scenario can be ruled out until we can get a conclusive picture. Maybe he was able to get the watch so early because it was a gift from his mother, brother or one of his many famous students.

The reason I lean towards him having just one watch is because the original Stelux/Kreisler bracelet does not appear after late '71. If he did have two watches, I tend to think he would have wore the original again at some point before his death. That IG picture of the second bracelet was apparently taken in February '72. He is wearing it through casting and on location for Way of the Dragon in April - June '72. Then there is a picture of him on the set of Enter the Dragon a few months before his July '73 death and he is wearing a 6010 on the 8020 rally strap which was supposed to go on 20 mm lugs. I can't say for sure he did not have two very similar watches.
 
My dad took me to see Enter the Dragon when I was nine. I never saw it again since, but it left an impression on my young mind. There's one piece of dialogue that sticks in my mind. "No guns".


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I last remember watching this film when I was 14, and yes, the whole film left a huge impression on me. I have never seen it again either.

I have learnt a huge amount from this thread, so thank you to you all.
 
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