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Default The Legend and Lore of the Gene Kranz 6119-8460

The 6106-8100 is usually recognized as the first Seiko Sport Diver. Originally offered in 1968, it continued into the 1970s as the 6119-8460. It’s is a very classic looking piece, but not of course designed for actual scuba diving (they only have a depth rating of 70 meters). The 1969 Seiko catalog proclaims their Sports Divers were designed for “skin scuba-diving daredevils”, while the more serious 6105 is listed a pages away with the more expensive tool watches. The 6106-8100 were instead touted as a more affordable dive watch option. “Buy a Seiko underwater watch without going overboard,” announces an ad from the time:



Capitalizing on the baby-boomer surfing craze, another ad puts, “Seiko on the summer surfing scene… Wherever boys and girls are hanging five, you’ll find a ready-made market for Seiko precision waterproof watches”.



The 38mm cushion case was generous enough for the time. The dial has an applied Seiko logo as well as a day and date window (as all the Seiko 5s do), and reads “WATER 70M PROOF” (or later “RESIST”), under the Suwa logo. The same flat and wide illuminated triptych hands featured on the 62MAS are found here as well.



Inspired by the Peacock Revolution of the late 60s, other Seiko Sports divers branched off into ostentatious colors and styles. Meanwhile the 6106-8100 and 6119-8460 maintained their simple, classic lines and conservative dive-watch style. Nevertheless, the 6106-8100 and later the 6119-8460 were later offered in a variety of dial colors; from silver-white and blue, and even a rare green!







But the most radical is the chevron blue.





These watches remained underappreciated and inexpensive, if not plentiful, until 2012 when prices began to rise when it became known that the 6119-8460 worn by Gene Kranz was auctioned off for the sum of $3500.

Here is an auction house photo of Gene Kranz's actual watch:




Who, you ask is Gene Kranz?

If you remember watching the movie "Apollo 13" you probably recall the intensity of Ed Harris' character, playing the Flight Director for the mission, clad in a white leather vest. The Flight Director, in real life, was Gene Kranz.




Gene Kranz joined NASA after serving as a fighter pilot in the Korean War. At NASA Kranz was a major player in the Gemini and Apollo programs (for which he was later awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1970).



While the Apollo astronauts were equipped with Speedmasters, Gene wore a Seiko 5, 6119-8460 Sports Diver during the late 60s and early 70s. It was on his wrist when the Apollo 11 crew touched down on the lunar surface, when the Apollo 13 explosion occurred, and throughout the remainder of his career at NASA.


Since the connection between Gene Kranz and the 6119-8460 was popularized, prices have skyrocketed. Still, while many sellers are asking for nearly $1000, pretty good specimens have come up recently and sold for under $400.

This is the ebay photo of one I recently won.




Is the 6119-8460 the next 62MAS? Well only time will tell, but for whatever reason, examples of the "Gene Kranz" show up on ebay far less often than Pogues, 6105s, or the 62MAS, and with scarcity and demand usually comes an increase price.

But only time will tell.
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The caseback of the 6119-8460 that the mailman will soon bring show a difference in lugs,
closer to a 7005-8052: Poor Man's 62MAS, than the example owned by Gene Kranz.


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My new 6119-8460 was delivered just now.



What a beautiful dial and bezel.




The lugs!




Why would anyone do such a thing?

Seriously, was filing down the lugs a popular modification at one time? What would be the point?




Damn, now I need to find another case.

Well, I figure that when someone cannibalizes this model, after the bezel dial, movement and caseback are harvested, the lonely case would be all that would be left.


Eventually I WILL find one!

Anyone have one in a parts box?
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Very nice watch! What case is it in now? Definitely worth it to get this one back into its original glory.
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It's the right case, someone just modded the lugs with a file.
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It's the right case, someone just modded the lugs with a file.
Well the idiot of the year award goes to the person who did that
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Two 6106-8109s I recently rehabilitated.



The picture below (not mine) shows what a difference lume can make.



Or should I leave my white 8109 alone?

The yellow lume reminds me of yellow teeth.
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My own "Gene Kranz" 6119-8460 in its new un-filed case, restored and running.



Note the smaller font on the 6119-8460 bezel.
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Who, you ask is Gene Kranz?

If you remember watching the movie "Apollo 13" you probably recall the intensity of Ed Harris' character, playing the Flight Director for the mission, clad in a white leather vest. The Flight Director, in real life, was Gene Kranz.


OK, slightly off topic.
Last night I watched Apollo 13 again. In the movie, Ed Harris, who plays Gene Kranz wears a dark blue dialed 6139-6002.
There are probably better 'head on' frames of Harris wearing the watch, like this ....


.... but I was trying to get a similar screen grab of Ed Harris at his console.



Ran a search on the forum afterwards and found Aaron had sussed this back in August 2012:

https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japan...tml#post174384
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Interesting. In the movie "Apollo 13" he was played by Ed Harris, who was wearing a blue 6139-600x with a white inner bezel.

Maybe the movie prop people asked Kranz what watch he wore, and he said, "An old Seiko"!

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Ran a search on the forum afterwards and found Aaron had sussed this back in August 2012:

https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japan...tml#post174384
Yes, I'm grateful to him and others for the information they put out.

Knowing the place in history a certain watch makes it much more interesting to collect.
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Do the 6106-8100 and 6119-8460 share the same case?
What about the bezel?
Here is a 6106 dial I relumed. No before pic sorry. But this was my first relume and the dial was a bit of a mess with all but a few of the minute markers gone. The rest of the printing is fine though.
I should redo the 12,6 and 9.
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Great review. One of my favorite vintage pieces.
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My own "Gene Kranz" 6119-8460 in its new un-filed case, restored and running.



Note the smaller font on the 6119-8460 bezel.
That's actually a case from a 6106-8100 which is slightly different.
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Do the 6106-8100 and 6119-8460 share the same case?
What about the bezel?
Here is a 6106 dial I relumed. No before pic sorry. But this was my first relume and the dial was a bit of a mess with all but a few of the minute markers gone. The rest of the printing is fine though.
I should redo the 12,6 and 9.
Although the cases + bezels are different they do interchange.
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That's actually a case from a 6106-8100 which is slightly different.
Correct!

But since the case it came with had had its lugs filed (see my earlier post in this thread) I had to make do with a 6106-8100 case.

Some day I will stumble across the squarer 6119-8460 case and fix it up.
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An orange 6106-8100 from June of 1969 just popped up on the Bay.





If it has not been recolored at some point, it might be Seiko's first orange dial?
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An orange 6106-8100 from June of 1969 just popped up on the Bay.





If it has not been recolored at some point, it might be Seiko's first orange dial?
The yellow golden one is a rare variant.

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I recently bought a blue 6106-8100 from Venezuela. It was being sold for about 2/3 of the recent going rate, and the condition appeared close to NOS. But as soon as I pulled the trigger I started to feel regret. So much has been written about Venezuela's troubles (crime, corruption, economic collapse). I nervously awaited my package, following its slow tracking progress out of Venezuela. It sat in out-bound customs for a week. I knew I was going to get ripped off. But I was wrong. Just 12 days after I placed my order, it came.





The collection grows.

I've got the seller's name and contact info, and Spanish is my household language. I hope we can do more business in the future without her having to share her profits with fleabay. I admire anyone who can find a way to thrive in a situation like that her country is experiencing. I doubt I would fare as well if I were in her situation.
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Nice find! Perhaps i shouldnt write off every seller from South America then..

But are you sure the watch is 100% original? The insert of the blue one is a bit different from your grey one.
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What camera did you use to take these shots
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Indeed the bezel is genuine. Futhermore, there is no sign of wear or of any work ever being done on the watch. The bracelet came full length and unadjusted (I borrowed some links for its sibling). The caseback engraving is deep and unworn, the corners are sharp, and all brushed and polished parts appear untouched. It's likely that it was bought as a graduation gift or something similar, barely worn, tossed in a drawer, and forgotten.

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Currently searching for a blue chevron 6106-8100 for my mom(she owned an original in 1969).

If anyone is able to help, it would be appreciated!

Also, great read, thank you for posting!
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Hi! I am new in this forum. I own a SEIKO 6119-8460 but the glass is broken and I cannot find a replacement.. Does anyone know where I could find one?
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This is such a cool watch—I think the green dial variant might be the one. I can’t think of many other vintage Seikos with green dials.
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