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Default Pogue Jr. 6106-6057, 6119-6020/6023, & 6319-6000: A Durable Classic

Pogue Jr. 6106-6057, 6119-6020/6023, & 6319-6000:
A Durable Classic



The shape of this Sports Diver’s 38mm cushion case with its squared-off lugs, 4 o’clock crown, inner rotating bezel, double domed crystal, and tapered lumed hands all invite comparisons with the 6139-6002 Pogue. The likeness is so strong that Adrian of Vintage Time Australia (VTA) has dubbed this model “The Pogue Junior”.



For ten years Seiko's Suwa factory produced four renditions of this model with three different movements: 6106-6057, 6119-6020, 6119-6023, and the 6319-6000. Let’s break down the different models in numerical order, since this approximates the model’s chronological development as well.



6106-6057
Issued: 1969-1970



The 6106-6057 was an export model, and like most of Seiko’s export models from these years, it came with a 6106 movement.


The Spartan dial simply states “AUTOMATIC WATER 70 RESIST”.




It has a “blister” caseback with the horseshoe Seiko logo. Both the day and date wheels are black. The 6106-6057 came mounted exclusively on a Stelux oyster type bracelet and was only produced with a black dial.



6119-6020
Issued: 1968-1973



The 6119-6020 was a Japanese Domestic Model (JDM) with a cal 6119A and later a 6119B movement. It has a different, larger crown than the other incarnations.



The dial states “WATER 70 PROOF”.



And it has a “blister” caseback.




The earlier 6119-6020s feature a black day wheel, and a contrasting white date wheel, while the ones later in production have both wheels in black.

As usual for the period, Seiko went whole-hog on the variety of bracelets intended for the Japanese Domestic Market.




The 6119-6020 came mounted on an arched slotted bracelet, a fishbone bracelet, railroad tracks, a double slotted bracelet, and perhaps others that I have not seen.

The 6119-6020 dials came in black, blue, and silver, but the rarest of them all is the green one. A buyer may wait a year or more for a green 6119-6020 to pop up on Yahoo Japan. Recently bids for green-dialed Seiko 6119-6020 on Yahoo Japan shot over 500 USD!

Although I have never seen a 6119-6020 with a gold dial, a NOS gold dial recently appeared on ebay with a dial code of 6119-6020T, so maybe they do exist, or maybe it is just a replacement part for the 6119-6023?




6119-6023
Issued: 1969-1973




The 6119-6023 was an export model and came with a 6119B, and later a 6119C movement and smaller crown. The dial states “WATER 70 RESIST” on most specimens, but many of the green dialed and and all the gold dialed 6119-6023s that I have seen omit the 70 meter lettering.


The 6119-6023s now have domed case backs with a more gentle curve. The earlier the 6119-6023s with a 6119B movement still feature a black day wheel and a white date wheel, but later 6119C models have both wheels black with a bilingual day in various languages or with Roman numerals marking the day of the week.


From what I can discern, the 6119-6023s were sold on two types of bracelets: a plain oyster and a more stylish ‘snake skin’.




Like its JDM cousin, the 6119-6023 came in a plethora of colors: not just black, blue, silver, and green, but gold!



Many of the green, and all of the golden 6119-6023 dials do not have the 70 meter lettering, just a bold ‘5 SPORTS’ logo.



While the gold dialed 6119-6023 is rare, one or two may come up per month on auction sites. The green dialed one is much more scarce. Years passed before the green 6119-6023 that I now own finally showed up on ebay.





6319-6000
Issued: 1973-1978



The 6319-6000 is a JDM model. Featuring a quick set day and date, the 6319 movement is very similar to the 6309 movement, and in fact can be used interchangeably. The 6319-6000s have a plain caseback stamped with just the brand, the model number and serial number. I have found this rendition only in black and blue and only mounted on a plain oyster bracelet.




A Durable Classic

While these The Pogue Juniors can be easily gotten on ebay, clean specimens can be hard to find and are starting to creep to over $300 for the rarer dial colors.

Its nice 38mm x 43mm size, fully rotating inner bezel ring, and sporty red sweep second hand make this 70 meter Sports Diver a rare classic of its era that has passed the test of time.

The Pogue Junior may be a victim of its own durability however. So many of these appear daily on WRUW threads and on auction sites that perhaps collectors have begun to regard them as common; as if it were common for so many of a model to continue to function so splendidly after 50 years!

Share pics of your ‘Pogue Junior’ with the community.
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SEIKO REVIEWS:
Review: 6119-8120: Seiko’s 1st 70m "Sports” Diver?, 5126-8090 "The Kamen Rider", 5126-6030 “The Double Hurricane!”, 6138 UFO Chronograph, Seiko’s Rally Sports Divers, 6119-6050 “The Regatta Watch”, Poor Man's 62MAS: 7005-8050, “The Gene Kranz” 6119-8460, 6106-6430 UFO Sports Diver, Seiko’s New Rally Divers, 6106-7107 “Aztec Red” , The 7019 JDM Sports Diver Family, 6619-8230 “Simple Beauty”, Sporty Seikos of the Late 60s and early 70s, 7006-8030: Last of the 70m Sports Divers, REVIEW: Seiko’s 1968 Flagship Watch: The 6106-8120 Sport Diver , 1969 Seiko Sports Divers: Issei and Nihonjin, Square 5126-8120 (8130) Daini Rally Divers, 7017-6000 “Basketball/Soccer”, The 7017-6050 Rally Meter, the “Eyeless Rally”, The Pogue Jr: A Durable Classic

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Share you ask? Certainly !


The black dial in the center has never been worn !!!
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Gentlemen what can I say - wowzers, I have seen some of them but not in this well preserved condition. I have been looking for a golden 6119 for some time now but nothing really good did turn up. If you ever wanna set some of them free you know where to find me:-) Thanks for sharing!
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Stunning collections and a fun read. Thanks to both of you for sharing.
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I recently restored 2 of these case styles. Love that gold one Jon, fantastic!

6119-6020 Proof January 1969
Restored about a month ago

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6319-6000 July 1978
Literally just finished restoring this one a few hours ago
Working on fitting a bracelet for it to wear tomorrow

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Thank you for a great write up. I've had three 6119-6023s over the years but never really connected with them. I suspect I should have kept hold of the green dialled one given their apparent rarity.


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Pogue Jr. 6106-6057, 6119-6020/6023, & 6319-6000:
A Durable Classic



The shape of this Sports Diver’s 38mm cushion case with its squared-off lugs, 4 o’clock crown, inner rotating bezel, double domed crystal, and tapered lumed hands all invite comparisons with the 6139-6002 Pogue. The likeness is so strong that Adrian of Vintage Time Australia (VTA) has dubbed this model “The Pogue Junior”.



For nine years Seiko's Suwa factory produced four renditions of this model with three different movements: 6106-6057, 6119-6020, 6119-6023, and the 6319-6000. Let’s break down the different models in numerical order, since this approximates the model’s chronological development as well.



6106-6057
Issued: 1969-1970



The 6106-6057 was an export model, and like most of Seiko’s export models from these years, it came with a 6106 movement.


The Spartan dial simply states “AUTOMATIC WATER 70 RESIST”.




It has a “blister” caseback with the horseshoe Seiko logo. Both the day and date wheels are black. The 6106-6057 came mounted exclusively on a Stelux oyster type bracelet and was only produced with a black dial.



6119-6020
Issued: 1968-1973



The 6119-6020 was a Japanese Domestic Model (JDM) with a cal 6119A and later a 6119B movement. It has a different, larger crown than the other incarnations.



The dial states “WATER 70 PROOF”.



And it has a “blister” caseback.




The earlier 6119-6020s feature a black day wheel, and a contrasting white date wheel, while the ones later in production have both wheels in black.

As usual for the period, Seiko went whole-hog on the variety of bracelets intended for the Japanese Domestic Market.




The 6119-6020 came mounted on an arched slotted bracelet, a fishbone bracelet, railroad tracks, a double slotted bracelet, and perhaps others that I have not seen.

The 6119-6020 dials came in black, blue, and silver, but the rarest of them all is the green one. A buyer may wait a year or more for a green 6119-6020 to pop up on Yahoo Japan. Recently bids for green-dialed Seiko 6119-6020 on Yahoo Japan shot over 500 USD!

Although I have never seen a 6119-6020 with a gold dial, a NOS gold dial recently appeared on ebay with a dial code of 6119-6020T, so maybe they do exist, or maybe it is just a replacement part for the 6119-6023?




6119-6023
Issued: 1969-1973




The 6119-6023 was an export model and came with a 6119B, and later a 6119C movement and smaller crown. The dial states “WATER 70 RESIST” on most specimens, but many of the green dialed and and all the gold dialed 6119-6023s that I have seen omit the 70 meter lettering.


The 6119-6023s now have domed case backs with a more gentle curve. The earlier the 6119-6023s with a 6119B movement still feature a black day wheel and a white date wheel, but later 6119C models have both wheels black with a bilingual day in various languages or with Roman numerals marking the day of the week.


From what I can discern, the 6119-6023s were sold on two types of bracelets: a plain oyster and a more stylish ‘snake skin’.




Like its JDM cousin, the 6119-6023 came in a plethora of colors: not just black, blue, silver, and green, but gold!



Many of the green, and all of the golden 6119-6023 dials do not have the 70 meter lettering, just a bold ‘5 SPORTS’ logo.



While the gold dialed 6119-6023 is rare, one or two may come up per month on auction sites. The green dialed one is much more scarce. Years passed before the green 6119-6023 that I now own finally showed up on ebay.





6319-6000
Issued: 1973-1977



The 6319-6000 is a JDM model. Featuring a quick set day and date, the 6319 movement is very similar to the 6309 movement, and in fact can be used interchangeably. The 6319-6000s have a plain caseback stamped with just the brand, the model number and serial number. I have found this rendition only in black and blue and only mounted on a plain oyster bracelet.




A Durable Classic

While these The Pogue Juniors can be easily gotten on ebay, clean specimens can be hard to find and are starting to creep to over $300 for the rarer dial colors.

Its nice 38mm x 43mm size, fully rotating inner bezel ring, and sporty red sweep second hand make this 70 meter Sports Diver a rare classic of its era that has passed the test of time.

The Pogue Junior may be a victim of its own durability however. So many of these appear daily on WRUW threads and on auction sites that perhaps collectors have begun to regard them as common; as if it were common for so many of a model to continue to function so splendidly after 50 years!

Share pics of your ‘Pogue Junior’ with the community.
Beautiful set! Nice write up on these.
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Wow, beautiful. Thanks for the write up, exceptional.


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Very nice write-up Jon as usual. These are without a doubt a great genre of Seiko watches. They are pretty darned cool. thanks for putting forth the effort to do this.
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A new one came in the mail today.

On the Left is my 6119-6023, which will now be replaced in my collection by the 6119-6020 on the right.



The 6119-6020 is a JDM model that is marked "WATER 70 PROOF" on the dial, has a larger, easy to use crown, and comes on an original full-length bracelet. There's not even a scratch on the crystal. Its only issue is the missing lume pip on the inner rotating bezel, but that's an easy fix.
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