Hello members, I purchased a sarb017 from Amazon a few years back. I do not remember if it was directly from Amazon or a 3rd party. But apon close inspection I can see some red flags. Before I try and sell the watch or trade it could you all take a look and see what you think?
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O and she's only been worn 3 or 4 times since I purchased it, I have small wrists and alpinist is on the border of being to large for me.
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It appears genuine to me, good luck with the sale.
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FWIW, I never thought it was fake, either. When you buy a Seiko from Amazon, they receive them from reputable watch dealers, either directly from Japan, or from U. S. Dealers. I have bought a lot of my new Seikos on Amazon. It would be bizarre if it were a fake. Just sell it!
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When checking out solds on Ebay, bid counts are very important to look at and to arrive at a value take the lowest sold prices with good bid counts and average them, currently that will not net you a value of $800, it will be $650ish for full kit. Averaging the highest prices paid is never going to be an accurate value for an item.
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Thank you ALL for your advice and experience. It is very much appreciated, I was beginning to think I purchased a fake.
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Unfortunately it seems the watch is fake. The case back and movement looks way too rough to me. If you google the serial number with for ex Seiko (700738) you will find several discussions over the fake Alpinists carrying the same serial number.
Here is a comparison on real/fake involving the 700738 serials:
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Oh, My! Now I am changing my mind. I did think the Seiko etching on the case back looked rough, and was unaware that exact serial number was linked to fakes. If you really bought that on Amazon, and can prove it, you should call them. How is it that you are just figuring this out 4 years later, though?
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The 6R15 looks good to me. Wouldn't it be a bit odd to use a genuine movement in a fake?
Plus the whole full kit thing - would someone assemble all that to legitimize it and sell on Amazon ?
I'll go with this scenario to find a way it could be fake:
Man buys real one on Amazon,
Upon arrival swaps in cheap fake
Returns for full refund
Seller unwittingly resells to next guy.
It's the oldest trick in the book with Swiss watches and their high quality counterfeits
You go to jail for committing mail fraud by the way
Plus the whole full kit thing - would someone assemble all that to legitimize it and sell on Amazon ?
I'll go with this scenario to find a way it could be fake:
Man buys real one on Amazon,
Upon arrival swaps in cheap fake
Returns for full refund
Seller unwittingly resells to next guy.
It's the oldest trick in the book with Swiss watches and their high quality counterfeits
You go to jail for committing mail fraud by the way
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The case back Seiko etching, sloppy dial printing and oft used fake serial number do point to fake. The movement is puzzling, though could be faked. Do we know this guy, is my question. He could be seeing how well it could pass, and could have shown pic of a real movement to fool us. Note the different background in movement pic, someone else in that pic and the strap laying there, as if just swapped. Just sayin’…..
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First of all I bought the watch on Amazon, had no concerns about it being a fake, in fact didn'tthink there were fakes. Second of all the first set of pics were from an email I sent to seiko usa asking if they could tell me if it was a fake. Since I purchased it from Amazon and she said it was an Amazon exclusive I didn't have any worries about it. I post a add to sell the watch and some one said it was a fake, so I posted pics on a Facebook page and everybody said it was a fake and to be sure it was to ask this forum. And third I change straps alot, I try to keep the original strap as nice a shap as I can just in case I do decide to sell a watch and my wrists are small so usually I have to purchase a smaller straps anyways. I'm not trying to scam anyone or sell them something thats fake, this is why I posted here.
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The pics are of the same watch just different times I took pictures.
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I still think the movement looks off, and not something that is Seiko produced.
Below is a comparison with a genuine 6R15D. Specifically the area where the red arrow points is way to coarse and also the print on the winding weight uses the wrong font and thickness.
Also if you look closely, there are other areas with questionable finish and fit.
Philip, it's a real bummer that Amazon sold you a fake watch. I would reach out to them and ask for the money back. They are usually interested in resolving these issues, even after 4 years have passed.
Best of luck!
BR,
David
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So now this scenario is how I am leaning.......
Scammers take note of the last sentence
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I do not know guys, I just need a definitive answer, is it real or is it fake
Thank you David, I will reach out to amazon again and maybe try and speak to someone over the phone this time. It is a real bummer to find out it's fake tho. Thank you again.
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Well, since an identical watch with your identical serial number is currently for sale on eBay, I think you have your answer, and I apologize for suggesting you may be a scammer. BTW, I did report that watch, to eBay, as counterfeit.
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