This 63097040 has a Jp kanji then there is Chinese kanji I will assume you mean the The kanji as found
in 6306-700Xs Japanese Kanji ALL ARE WHITE never black OEM 6309s Never unless Changed In Both of my Hacking 6309s I have Black Kanji and Thai Day Wheels


There are aprox 7-8 languages that 6309-704Xs came OEM Spanish, German, Italian, Arabic , Japanese Kanji , French, Roman #s, I am going to Exclude Kanji and Italian
from my OEM List and bring the # OEM 6309-704Xs to FIVE after reading Some of the Posts and in the Spirit of trying to get FACTS not my oppinion :great:


the Remaining 7 languages many found in Black from 6106-6119- also there were some 6139s that had ways to also fit into a 6309


Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese kanji, Farsi, Norwegian , Icelandic , Afrikaans, Swedish NOW HINDI
I have almost all in Black and White But Some only White and some only Black.


I personally love Black Day/date in my Wearing 6309s


And my best 6309-704X are 100% OEM /w White Day/Date


Hope this helps a bit

 

Russell,

I was hoping you would chime in on this....I know that you've done an extensive amount of research into the the Seiko day wheels.. I've been collecting a few myself and have examples on hand of German, Spanish, roman, Arabic, French and Dutch

I have a white Japanese Kanji in my freshly restored 6306-7001.....btw: thanks for the day wheel indexing tip...worked like a charm

The wheel in the 704x that I am speaking of is definitely Chinese Kanji (confirmed it with a Chinese collegue at work) which I have seen, just not in black....I could understand a white Chinese Kaniji being present, but the black wheels just kinda threw me as the watch is untouched otherwise....
so I'm guessing this was an early mod from the late Eighties most likely done by the first owner (Chinese Engineer) who may have desired to have a Chinese day wheel installed for personal reasons.

It all makes perfect sense..

At any rate, It's a very cool find and one that will be receiving a light face lift as she does show some age.

Thanks you so very much for the information.

 

Great information Russel Now I'm wondering.. are there 7 or 8 versions?


Thanks!


Ron

 

Shawn Seiko made Watches in using Different languages only when there was a request from that particular Country


and if Seiko felt it was worth there Time and expense . "Can we sell enough to make a Day wheel for that Country???


That is Why we see Mostly Spanish as the second language Think of all the Markets that Are Covered "/w Spanish/English.


And Roman #s Generic Covers all Countries and was used in many markets that English Was not Read, but Roman #s
were for all.


Yet Portugal a Cross between Spanish/italian and?? was a market that requested there be Portuguese Day wheels
as the second language rather then Spanish. Apparently Seiko felt it was worth it, and we find Portuguese Day Wheels


Mostly imo 6139s and 5606s


Imagine this a Country like So. Africa with a very limited SEIKO Presence Market Made a Day wheel in Afrikaans


and Compared to many other Countries that have a Much larger market ?? why??? there and not Hindi Look at the Size


of the Population of Inda that could have imho warranted a Hindi day wheel to my understanding India was a very


limited market for SEIKO Sales compared to Iceland :57: Crazy Making to PIN DOWN exact reasons


This is the little I know. And a Continuing Learning Process I came close to a Norwegian Day wheel but


the Person could not find the 6119 that he remembered was Norwegian for sure So Back to the Search


As Alvin who lives in So Africa Was able to Source a Day Wheel that I have been after for Four years


He wanted to Help Maybe there will be others like Alvin that will take the Pride in there Country


to see it represented in a SEIKO
In order to get a Swedish day Wheel I had to buy a 6119 for $200 that the Person was posting he just paid few dollars
for I made it clear Name your Price he did I Bought her and I am grateful to him He scored $$ wise and Thousands


that will become Seiko heads will have one to look at Besides as I see it "" Honoring that Culture""

 

OT a little as these are for the Belles, one is Arabic and the other is Portuguese ( i like Friday best ).

Still have a Arabic Belle wheel for you Russell.

 

Russell,


Big thanks are in order for all the information that you've just provided me...

I would love to find a Norwegian day wheel as well ...Norway is my family's native country, in fact my sister is in Oslo visiting family as we speak.

Could you tell me what the lettering is on the swedish day wheel?

There's a chance that i may have one sitting on my bench.....fingers crossed

Shawn

 

Shawn
Yes I will help any way I can, when they are all displayed it would be easy to


slip the Norwegian day wheel Pics in with the rest What's most important is that all the


Countries are Recognized Each time I find a New Day wheel as When Alvin sent the Afrikaans Day Wheel


it was to me a Really Big Deal better then finding Ya Know what I mean So to see he Possibility of your sourcing a Wheel


is Great. Eventually we will have them all Represented.When I hear the intrest in others Alvins also likes Dat wheels


Noah rip would make up names for me Seikowheel Language freak- that can't spell lol
or Write and he sent me my first five wheels and Jose Sotto from "Watchcooking"


Sent me a Portuguese Day Wheel I had yet to buy anything from Jose he just sent it and what he had to say Was
Humbling to hear
I have to take a Picture of the Swedish or I can write a few of the days Now and you can see if they are the same


Hang on oK it's a 6119-8430
Black Date White Day "Lor" two little dots above the o is Saturday Son+ Sun Man= Mon Tis=Tues. Ons=Wed Tor=Thurs.


that is few days Hope it helps

 

I have seen Chinese kanji day wheels,
that will fit a four o'clock movement.

A good friend and I did a trade for a 6309 diver that I had.
It turns out it had a bad movement- he was able to source a movement
and it turns out to have had a Chinese day wheels
and I helped him do the movement swap.

this was more appropriate because My friend happens to be Chinese
from Hong Kong, naturally the watch was a Hong Kong Dial as well.

Russell is indeed the Day wheel Junky.

 

Add German, French, and a couple of languages ("arabic looking") that I can't identify..maybe hebrew? I should really take some pics of the ones I've got hangin' around still and post. Yep, I've seen quite a few Chinese wheels in 6XXX watches (just sent one to Sharkfin Dave recently), but like Russell said, not in the 6309 diver..

 

[size=1.35em]Add German, French, and a couple of languages ("arabic looking") that I can't identify..maybe hebrew? I should really take some pics of the ones I've got hangin' around still and post. Yep, I've seen quite a few Chinese wheels in 6XXX watches (just sent one to Sharkfin Dave recently), but like Russell said, not in the 6309 diver..

Jake please post pics of the ones you can't identify. I can tell you this much, I've been looking for a hebrew wheel for years and have yet to find one, so i doubt that is what you have. I have seen wheels in thai persian and snaskrit, so maybe that is what you have.

As for the OPs original question, lik Russel said, all 6309 wheel, regardless of language had a white background, so those wheels were definitely swapped. To add a wrinkle to that, the wheels from most 6000 series calibers are swapable with each other, so it is very easy to find wheels to do the swap, especially when you consider that 6106s and 6119s were the most widely made versions of the 6000 series calibers, they are still widely available today (and cheap), and were offered in all manner of languages with both black and white backgrounds. Finding a donor, even today, is very easy an inexpensive.

 

Ok Guys.....brief update to this one....and a little closure to my original post

My collegue who sold me the watch (for a measly $25 USD) amazingly was able to make contact with his counterpart in China(the original purchaser of the watch)

My initial suspicions have been confirmed.....The original purchaser of the watch purchased it in May of 1985 from a small shop in Beijing. He remebers that the watch was equipped originally with a white English/Roman day wheel.
Since the original purchaser was Chinese and prefered to have the alternate day language be Chinese, The shop owner offered to swap the wheels at no expense in order to close the deal.
The Original owner stated that he does not know the origin source of the donor wheels, but remembers having to go back to the shop to pick up the watch later that day.

So the wheel swap was appearently one of personal esthetics done at the time of original purchase by a shop owner to accomodate a customers request..

On a side note,
Last night I gave the old girl a little cleaning up (Movement service, freshened up the case, new seals)

While having it apart, I did have the passing thought of swapping the black Chinese Kanji day/date wheel back to a more correct set of white English/German.....But, the watch has been this way for so long...I decided to leave things as they are.....Besides.... It's a great piece, nice companion to my 6306-7001 and a cool addition (#16) to my growing 6309-704x collection

Here are a few photos for comparison between the Japanese Kanji in my 6306 against the Chinese Kanji in the freshly serviced 6309-7040 mentioned in the preceeding posts..
Please disregard the AM hands as the originals were swapped by me during servicing the watch last night and are in dire need of restoration or replacement. In the short term AM hands were by fastest option to put the watch in to daily rotation.

Thanks all

 

Ok here's one in mine. ;D

 

Great information folks. Thanks to everyone for sharing. :clap:

Mark

 

Jake please post pics of the ones you can't identify. I can tell you this much, I've been looking for a hebrew wheel for years and have yet to find one, so i doubt that is what you have. I have seen wheels in thai persian and snaskrit, so maybe that is what you have.

As for the OPs original question, lik Russel said, all 6309 wheel, regardless of language had a white background, so those wheels were definitely swapped. To add a wrinkle to that, the wheels from most 6000 series calibers are swapable with each other, so it is very easy to find wheels to do the swap, especially when you consider that 6106s and 6119s were the most widely made versions of the 6000 series calibers, they are still widely available today (and cheap), and were offered in all manner of languages with both black and white backgrounds. Finding a donor, even today, is very easy an inexpensive.

Upon closer inspection and a quick google of some Hebrew, it looks like these are maybe Sanskrit and something other than Hebrew...but here they are anyways :great:

 

Jake
The top is Farsi/ Persian It is looked at as Arabic but it's from Persian Roots
the Bottom I have NEVER seen and we need to talK JAKE about that Wheel that;s ONE More


CLOSER Looks to be Possible Sankrit/ Hindi? I have Thai wheels post pic latter


This is very Exciting for me Jake Noah is laughing his Ass off thinking it never Ends
now Jake has One " But Russell will make an offer that cannot be refused :bravo_2:


I will go find out this Language Looks like Thai but ???


OK Late late for work but possible it is =Tamil Language


All day I will be going crazy till I can get back home This is a Big Deal lol :57: JAKE? ??? ???




It's Close to Thai maybe in Long hand ? I am totally Obsessed now

 

Well, Russell....Let's see if we can re-locate it and get it in with some type of collection where it belongs. You wouldn't happen to KNOW anyone who might be interested in this kind of thing, eh? :57:

 

P.S..Yeah, looks like Tamil to me too. :great:

 

Jake Thank YOU The Joke I can be almost as excited for this Day wheel as the 5718-8000


Noah I can hear you laughing Yep Jake took over from were you left off.


Real Big Deal Time for For Work have a Good day.

 

The second language is HINDI. First time I have seen it on a seiko watch.
JaRe

 

Hindi! This is so cool Guys! Now you have me all excited as well!
Regards
Alvin

 

Just checked the second language and the alphabet is definitely Sanskrit. Check it out here:

Just remove the suffix from each word and you will get the exact abbreviation being used in the day wheel.

Here is a link to an online presentation on the days of the week in Hindi which will is much easier to read:

http://www.slideshare.net/tutonlineit/hindidays-of-the-week-presentation

 

Both Hindi and Sanskrit use the Devanagari alphabet . I think the differences could be font related rather than different alphabets ???. http://rahulvats.info/blogs/blog3.php/2010/08/28/sanskrit-alphabets

 

Thanks Gabe and 7s26B


I agree about the Font When I looked quickly before work So many looked so similar Yet Different


It is a GREAT DAY when a New Wheel is added . One More Culture recognized as LINKED TO SEIKO Distribution


and the Counties that warranted a Wheel in that language .


I look forward to reading the Links after work
Thank You

 

Great info guys :bravo_2: But.. maybe I've missed it, which exact languages were used on the 6309 divers?


Ciao, Ron

 

Great info guys :bravo_2: But.. maybe I've missed it, which exact languages were used on the 6309 divers?


Ciao, Ron

In the first reply from Russell !!