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Well I haven't been around here that much lately, but I like to whinge every now and again and I hope some of you might chip in :)

Yep I know, shouldn't link to live auctions...but:

OMG:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-SEIKO-PEPSI-AUTOMATIC-DAY-DATE-WATCH-POGUE-6139-6002-CHRONOGRAPH-/121463915016?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item1c47d04208

OMFG:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-SEIKO-PEPSI-AUTOMATIC-DAY-DATE-WATCH-POGUE-6139-6002-CHRONOGRAPH-/121463923890?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item1c47d064b2


NO:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-6139-boxed-with-proof-of-servicing-/291271611166?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item43d124131e

WRONG:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-seiko-6139-Chronograph-Gents-japan-Movement-watch-/271638052540?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item3f3ee3bebc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-seiko-Pepsi-6139-6002-Chronograph-Gents-japan-Movement-watch-/271638108550?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item3f3ee49986

Oh no people have bid, poor guys:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-SEIKO-PEPSI-POGUE-6139-6002-CHRONOGRAPH-WATCH-GREAT-CONDITION-SERVICED-/161453399751?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item25975f5ec7

Terrible:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-SEIKO-1977-POGUE-PEPSI-GOLD-DIAL-AUTOMATIC-6139-6002-EXCEL-CONDIT-/400791141960?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item5d51037e48

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-SEIKO-1973-AUTO-17J-ORANGE-DIAL-CHRONOGRAPH-MODEL-6139-7060-/400779808751?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item5d50568fef


Same old awfulness:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-6139-6002-Pogue-Chronograph-/321554728746?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item4ade27c72a


Sorry guys, I hate to sound bitter or anything, just I find this too much. I'm sure it's got worse recently.


I would like to put together a simple buyers guide, anyone know if I'm allowed to use pictures of these watches in a 'what not to buy' section?
There is already a pretty good buyers guide out there but I seem to remember it only suggests what to buy and does not give examples of what not to buy.....?
 

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Nice to see someone is looking out for us that are less knowledgable than others, I've looked at the items and apart from them being beyond my price range the seller seems to be ok with items being returned, although his description is very " trust me" to the point where i wouldn't want to.
 

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I must confess i just look and move on :(

Would you have some sort of copyright issue using the pictures Tom ?

I suppose if there is money concerned someone will always try to fleece you.
 

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Yes you are right of course, copyright would be the problem.

Yes I normally flick over these listings, it just struck me that there is far more of these than there are for actual authentic 6139's. Such a shame.

Anyway, hope you are all well and enjoying your amazing collections!

Sorry for the moaning!
T
 

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You may take the pictures and wait for some months before publishing them.

Seller and buyers probably will not be concerned with them at that time
 

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You may take the pictures and wait for some months before publishing them.

Seller and buyers probably will not be concerned with them at that time
A fair point, perhaps if I choose my sellers correctly (not the repeat offenders). And probably I would use just very small detail close ups....

I just upset one seller already, I think he genuinly believes he is selling the worls best 6139. I see now that he is not selling any other watches. Oh well, it's still wrong.
 

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For Petes sake Tom, calm down dear:57:

Seriously though, there has been much of a 6139 crapfest on Ebay recently. I have 50 6139/8's and only one cobbled up one that I wear in the garden and doing odd jobs. They are OK if you appreciate them for what they are but are no substitute for the ex works real deal.

But what get me is the premium prices being offered, be patient and wait for a genuine original to come along for the same price.
 

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I for one would welcome such a guide ("what not to buy"). I've learned a LOT in the last 3 months and only made one big mistake (that I'm aware of), which thanks to another thread here and my own inspection of the watch when it arrived meant I returned the 'watch' for a full refund.

I can't see why you can't take one of the pictures of an offending watch, and cut out only the part that indicates the problem, e.g. dial lettering, hands, dial ring, etc etc.

One of the problems I have is that the eye sees what it wants to see. So when looking at a picture of a full watch in a listing, I see the good parts, the obvious faults but not necessarily what I should be looking for.

Thanks in advance ........
 

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I for one would welcome such a guide ("what not to buy").

I can't see why you can't take one of the pictures of an offending watch, and cut out only the part that indicates the problem, e.g. dial lettering, hands, dial ring, etc etc.

One of the problems I have is that the eye sees what it wants to see. So when looking at a picture of a full watch in a listing, I see the good parts, the obvious faults but not necessarily what I should be looking for.

Thanks in advance ........
This seems like a quite reasonable approach to me and I would certainly appreciate having access to the resource.
 

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For Petes sake Tom, calm down dear:57:

Seriously though, there has been much of a 6139 crapfest on Ebay recently. I have 50 6139/8's and only one cobbled up one that I wear in the garden and doing odd jobs. They are OK if you appreciate them for what they are but are no substitute for the ex works real deal.

But what get me is the premium prices being offered, be patient and wait for a genuine original to come along for the same price.
I know Mike, I sound like a little Girl... Calming........

Exactly, if the sellers said "Look I have this great watch, just serviced and a few parts replaced with the best reproduction parts going" and then sell that watch for £1000 I would have absolutly no problem with it.

Ok, well I think now I have said it Sir Alan I must do it. I have a few shots of a watch that came in for a service that I can use for starters.
I really don't claim to be the worlds expert on these (Mike and the other Tom........and all the rest of you... can easily put my knowledge to shame) so I need some help then please...If you have any pictures of these type of watches, ideally from your own archives, that I could use please send them over to me.

Many thanks,
 

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I'm not up on copyright law but surely it's ok to use someone's pics for non-commercial purposes if you properly attribute them to the sellers concerned ;-)
 

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I'm not up on copyright law but surely it's ok to use someone's pics for non-commercial purposes if you properly attribute them to the sellers concerned ;-)
Oh that might upset a few sellers - excellent!
I'll talk to my wife - since she knows well the copyright laws with regards to picutre usage...as that's her job....now why did I not think of that straight away :!
 
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