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I see many new and vintage Citizens i like as much if not more than the Seiko models on offer but what has always stopped me getting involved with Citizen especially the vintage models is the complete (almost) lack of spares and information.

With Seiko there tends to be quite a lot of spares knocking about and if your willing to wait most parts will crop up over time but with Citizen..............

Why are Citizen spares so thin on the ground ? did Citizen just produce less watches/models than Seiko ? did Citizen prefer watches to be returned back to a main service centre ?
 

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This has puzzled me as well John spares and service data is all but non existent for the early watches. What's more the Citizen service centre, in the UK at least, doesn't want to have anything to do with the earlier watches. Early last year I contacted them about repairing my original 8620A Solar watch, which, as the World's first solar analogue watch, I thought that they would at least have some service info, but all I got was 'obsolete, no spares' :mad:. None of the so called 'specialists' in Citizen watches of that era seem to have any service info either for the 8620 Crystron movement?:undecided:
 

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I noticed this trend as well. I have no idea why there are not as much Citizen parts, hell, watches for that matter, out there in the wild. I have been trying to locate NY0040s to replace the ones that were stolen. No luck! A few years ago you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting one, cheaply. Nowadays, not a one to be found.

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My experience with two early- to mid-2000s divers is that citizen (in the US at least) were perfectly willing to sell parts directly to me. I called to inquire about a bezel insert and was told that it was only sold with the bezel, and that for only something like $8 more I could get an entire case assembly brand new. Not sure this serves as an explanation, or is as useful for the vintage pieces, but still...seiko sure doesn't want to sell directly to me, so perhaps more of a market for spares from 3rd party sellers.

Another thought is that the interchangeability of parts in seikos (particularly divers - think bezel inserts, crystals, etc), and the relatively long production runs of those models, gives a broader market for spares. Citizens, to my knowledge, don't have as much parts interchangeability, hence a smaller market, hence (perhaps) less of a cottage industry for spares. Just some thoughts as I sip the first coffee of the day...
 

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I agree Tiger. I luckily found a NOS crown on ebay for a vintage mechanical I restored and flipped. Rare is actually correct on ebay for these things.

My hunch is that Seiko encouraged local jewelers to stock parts and fix independently but maybe Citizen went the other way for control?
 

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Tell me about it. Mine broke and I took it to a watch repair place, he ended up giving it back because of a lack of parts. Sort of a sad story really, and I think I can find a solution

(I found reference to the 6628...
movement being replaced by the Miyota 6T51... If that's true, I may be able to find parts that the watch man couldn't!)

In any case, it gives me pause about dipping into the vintage Citizens... Mine was only from the early 2000s!


-Slonie
 

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I was given a new Citizen Ecodrive 200m Diver when I joined the Army. By the end of training, 28 weeks, it had condensation under glass and a little beat up (bezel, case mainly). Sent it back, they said the wear and tear was not acceptable, perceivered, had it repaired, wore it again, same thing two months later, replaced the watch, happened again, this time they gave me a refund. Never had a Citizen since. Got the impression servicing, parts, repair, wasn't in their nature. The 7C43 dad had, still runs and he had it for 27 years (mechanic, welder, diving, daily life). Not sure if this has anything to do with it, really?
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I knew this was the case ... :p yet I recently bought three vintage divers. I guess I'm an idiot or at least a guy willing to spend time searching for spares ...
 

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Sadly with vintage Citizen parts it does seem to be a matter of luck.
I picked up a couple of NOS straps for some of the more popular 70's divers last year, but they were buried in with a bunch of crappy generic dive straps





Just last night I noticed that there are crystals for the compressor style (5270) vintage Citizens on ebay . I don't need one and they're not particularly cheap, but I bought one just in case....
 

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beautiful watch...
 

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I had a small pile of citizen stems that were thrown in with a batch of some lot of parts that I bought. About 25 or so brand new in their packages. I sold them to John about a month ago.
As far as bring in older model watches to service centers its pretty simple. When I worked at Dodge in the service department I was working on cars that were brand new to about 5 years old 99.9 percent of the time. I never worked on anything else. Most new car dealers will throw out manuals once they get to be about ten years old to make room for the new manuals and the same would go for the specialized tools. Unless you have tech that has been at a watch repair center for Citizen for 20 years he will most likely no absolutely nothing about your watch and have no repair manuals plus even if someone did want to be nice and take a shot at it they could spend a couple hours on diagnostics just to find out the part they need is not made by Citizen anymore. SO how do you charge someone $150 bucks for a watch that you fixed nothing on? You can't so going to the service center with anything 20 years old os not your best option even if it is the brand of the watch. They will never want anything to do with older model watches.
 
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