I got this as I saw one here I think but memory is elusive sometimes. I was going to pull the trigger but the ebay add was withdrawn and the item out of stock, It seems the dealer got some more and sold me the beautiful Orient Star retrograde for under $350 and it came yesterday. Sadly I can't wear it till I get the bracelet siZed but its gorgeous awesome and hunky. Yes hunky its got heft and its thick but so beautiful of course it is I just got it. who knows how much I will like it in a year.