I believe that the above photo and information was taken directly from a John Stryker Meyer article that can be found here:This is me and Lynne Black (a SOG icon). We were on ALABAMA team together. I have the watch on but you really can't see it. We were just taking off in an H-34 chopper, out of FOB#3, Phu Bai on a mission, September 68.
I hope I don't step on either of your toes (Schaaft11 or BigBluKyle), but here goes...Bigblue- Are you suggesting I took the info off that article and that I'm not Tim Schaaf, that hansome devil in the photo? That is me.
Well, I obviously did take that photo directly off the article that Tilt wrote, I could't find my copy here at the house. But that's my photo pal.
If what I'm posting about myself is too hard for you to believe, that's your problem. I didn't come on hear to be called a liar.
I said i was interested in finding out the approximate value of my watch. That was my main purpose.
This whole thing has become a bit silly. Didn't expect this at all.
Also, at the end of today(2/1), I'm going to delete my last post. Don't want to leave my VA ID online.
Thanks Tim, much appreciated. Here is some information for you on the origins of your watch if you are interested:Adrian, thanks for your post. And I agree with you about "proof of provenance", and I do have many pieces of memoribilia; plaques, photos, letters, military awards (Silver Star, 3 Bronz Stars w/V, Purple Heart, CIB, Presendential Unit Citation), etc. I was also on the board of directors of the Special Operations Association.
Our group of SOG recon guys was very small, About 50% of us were killed in 68, not casualties, but killed. Now, most of us either know each other or are familiar with each others names. And our little group is getting smaller every year. I lost 4 great friends in the last year. John Smith, in the photo w/3 of us, past away just last month. He was one of my best friends. A great man. I don't have an exact number but there may not be 50 SOG recon guys left, certainly less than 100.
In retrospect I was a little naive to think I would be believed immediately when I came on here.
In answering your question, I was issued my watch(6119-8100) Jan-Feb 1968 at FOB#4, Da Nang. It was a brand new FOB and all of the Recon guys (maybe 30-40), were issued a couple of items.
Black pullover windbreakers, etc., along with the watches. But none of those bitchen knives(Randalls). I ended up carrying a baby ka-bar, the navy survival knife. It was still too big, the smaller the better.I think the officers kept the Randall knives, if there were any to be had. Also, you asked about patches? During my time (I came home
feb 69), we did not have patches. Those started being developed by the teams themselves after I left.
I assume the batch of watches we were issued at that time were all 6119-8100, but I'm sure, none of us were concerned about the serial numbers on the back. They were good watches, and maybe the first watch I had ever worn. I don't recall for sure but many of us had just recently gotten out of Special Forces training at Fort Bragg, and SOG was our first assignment, believe it or not. We had to learn and adjust quickly, or quite frankly, die quickly.
We had the highest casualty rates in the war, but we killed a lot of NVA.
Anyway, All of the other FOB's were ongoing by the time I got to VN in Dec67. So, I'm not familiar with who got what at any other FOB.
The only thing I can say with certainty is that only the recon guys were actually issued the
watches at FOB'#4, at that time. And that I believe they were all 6119-8100's.
As to other watches issued at different times at other FOB's, I have no info.
If you look at the photo of myself and the 3 others at KHE Sahn, none of them had the watch because none of them were on recon teams. They were all Special Forces medics.
Hope that helps.
Kyle- Honestly, no need to apologize, I understand.
You take care my friend,
Thank You Sir!Kyle- All of the watches at the time I was issued mine came with a green colored nylon type band, with a standard buckle, meaning the strap had holes for the buckle.
I never saw any recon man go into the field with a metal watch band, ever. Everything that reflected light or made noise was an obvious no no.