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I've never seen a 6010 without any markings at the 9 o'clock position, not sure I've seen it on 6011 either, but I know they exist on some 6012s (later 6012?). I can only say for myself, that based on the many contributions and pictures we have had in this great discussion, I can now start my search for a Seiko 6139 Bruce Lee and the only one I will be looking for is an early production, non-JDM, English/Chinese day wheel, black dial 6010.

Since there are inconsistencies regarding the dates of some pictures and the fact that his watch has never been explicitly mentioned in his journals or come up for auction at a credible house, I suppose there will always be a modicum of doubt about a 'True Seiko Bruce Lee'.

On the contrary, Colonel Pogue had the original sales receipt for his Pogue and it was included with the charity auction. That ought to make the 6139-6005 to be the 'One & Only True Pogue', but other gold dial models are constantly called Pogues.
 

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So maybe mine is the correct one... scratches on the crystal could be from the wiry hair on Chuck Norris's shoulders!
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I wonder where the actual watch Bruce Lee owned is now. I found an unrelated, off-topic tidbit. The red, right-hand drive, 1972 Mercedes-Benz 350 SL R107 he purchased and drove in Hong Kong was apparently shipped back to the USA after his death. I read that Linda drove it for many years stateside, though now it is owned by someone else.

Some books claim he had bought the car used for the equivalent of $12,000 US. The 350 SL started production in April '71 for the German and Euro markets and Bruce Lee is seen driving it by April '72. Other sources claim his was only the second R107 in Hong Kong. Like his non-JDM Seiko, the man had knack for getting his stuff early. Hopefully, his actual watch surfaces at some point.
 

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Thanks to Seiko Hoarder for editing his original post to reflect the information learned from this thread.

I just want to add a couple of things I learned whilst trying to buy a True Bruce Lee last week. First, there are apparently non-JDM 6010s with production dates before May '69, which was when his mother or brother would have had to buy the watch in Hong Kong. I have yet to find photos of any though. Having heard that, now I need to track one down and buy it, though I'll pass on the Kreisler Stelux bracelet.

Second, speaking of Kreisler Stelux, that trademark was registered in Feb 1968 and indications are that the elongated oval bracelet was not sold immediately stateside. The earliest source I found that mentions the Kreisler/Stelux line in the USA was from 1970, when Kreisler Mfg Corp debuted two new display cases/cabinets/counters. The cabinet held some 120 existing watch bands - I presume these were branded 'Kreisler' only and made in USA. The display counter for the Kreisler/Stelux line apparently only had 5 watch bands, which should have been made in Hong Kong.

Sorry to be repetitive and pedantic,but Bruce Lee's original bracelet must have been bought in Hong Kong in May '69 and put on the watch from new. Hardly a significant find and it doesn't change the conclusion that Bruce Lee's was a Hong Kong market watch, just another tidbit about his watch.
 

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On the contrary, Colonel Pogue had the original sales receipt for his Pogue and it was included with the charity auction. That ought to make the 6139-6005 to be the 'One & Only True Pogue', but other gold dial models are constantly called Pogues.
This is some amazing research, especially by Homeless Traveler and Seiko Hoarder. Some of these photos I had definitely not seen!

Personally, I liken the Bruce Lee to the Pogue, in that there were multiple variations, but with one "true" variant (as Homeless Traveler pointed out). While some insist there to be only one "Pogue" - namely the "True Pogue" - I personally don't think its misleading to call all gold 6139-600x's "Pogues." Same for the black dial 6139 Bruce Lee in discussion here.

I can confirm the bracelet for Daniel Dae Kim was a Kreisler one he requested specifically to make it more akin to Bruce Lee's.

Trying to track down more evidence of the original 6139 configuration owned by Bruce, hopefully I can follow with some conclusive evidence - stay tuned!

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I can confirm the bracelet for Daniel Dae Kim was a Kreisler one he requested specifically to make it more akin to Bruce Lee's.
Nick, was that bracelet you sourced for Kim a made-in-Hong Kong 'Kreisler Stelux'? I don't think that bracelet was ever branded as just 'Kreisler'. If it was, please correct me.

I have had a few chances to acquire a true Bruce Lee 6010, but am still holding out for an earlier non-JDM model.
 

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I don't recall - but that sounds to be the case! I know my research into it revealed the one we bought at the time to be almost certainly correct. Apologies for the shorthand ref

Still waiting for the person to respond, re: proof on the correct Bruce Lee variant he wore - TBD for now...
 

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This has been a fascinating discussion, and I hate it because now I have one more vintage seiko to look out for in my watch collecting journey!!!!

Blast and botherations......

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UPDATE: I did some interwebs sleuthing, and discovered contact information for Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon.

After several emails, I was able to receive a response from a senior member of Shannon's staff, below - appears she asked them to respond to me, given I had emailed Shannon directly:

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September 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

Dear Nick,

Thank you for the emails. It’s always nice to hear and see the continued passion and support for Bruce Lee.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the information you’re looking for. We are unable to confirm which exact version of the watch Bruce Lee wore. We appreciate your dedication to this matter and wish we could be or more help.

Walk On!

Best,
Sydnie

Sydnie Wilson
Director of Licensing

BRUCELEE.COM
@BRUCELEE FB | TW | IG

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Looks the search continues...
 

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I may have a useful contribution to this thread. I have just acquired a blue non-JDM 6010 from March '69. It has a Chinese date wheel, so most likely HK market. That may pin down the early availability of 6010s in the HK market. And the Stelux bracelet may also pin it down to HK.
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Hi guys
I may have a useful contribution to this thread. I have just acquired a blue non-JDM 6010 from March '69. It has a Chinese date wheel, so most likely HK market. That may pin down the early availability of 6010s in the HK market. And the Stelux bracelet may also pin it down to HK.
Thanks HVL, that is quite a find! I wish I saw your post earlier and hope you see this reply. Can you post a picture of the markings on the bottom of the bracelet links? Does it say Stelux or Kreisler-Stelux?

Although it is very rare for any 6139-6010 to have that kind of 'chiclet' bracelet installed from the factory, I don't know that it would definitively pin it down to HK market. I have seen a 1969 advert placed in a Singapore newspaper by Seiko's sole Southeast Asian distributor, Thong Sia, and it shows a 6139-6010 with that same bracelet.

Seiko also manufactured a chicet bracelet very similar as your Stelux and I have seen it on watches as early as 1965. I would guess at some point they switched to the ones Stelux manufactured for them with Seiko marking on the clasp.
 

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I hope that is useful. I don't think I'll ever find out where my particular watch is from, but the date of the watch and the Chinese date wheel point to 6010s likely being available in HK before June 1969. I think that someone suggested earlier in the thread that the earliest non-JDM 6010 they were aware of was July 69. So this may be helfpul for the wider discussion over when a HK 6010 may have been available.

As to this bracelet, it may pin my watch down to the Singapore market; its rarity on a 6139 is perhaps of wider interest to people - maybe that's a separate thread! I have to say it's the most comfortable steel bracelet I've ever worn.
 

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Hmmm...so mine may now be considered as the younger sibling of the 'Bruce Lee' 6139-6010...

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Hong Kong was a far more important market than Singapore at the time and it was already a major player in terms of watch assembly, so I always assumed it was the destination for the earliest non-JDM. I just never thought I'd see one made that early, so thanks for letting us know you bought it. Prior to yours, the earliest non-JDM I read about was from May '69.

Now let's see if there is an early HK market black dial that would be the truest of the Bruce Lee.
 

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Good to hear that it's useful to know that it exists. I agree that an early HK market black dial would be the truest of the Bruce Lee - and I wouldn't refer to mine as a Bruce Lee, being the wrong colour. But as the blue and the black seem to have been marketed alongside each other, it's probably fair to assume that it was available in a black dial this early - retail May '69. But if mine is the earliest non-JDM 6010 yet found after all these years, then the chances of finding a black one seem incredibly slim - it would be a great find, but perhaps nearly as difficult as finding Bruce Lee's own watch!
 

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Does anyone have access to the book Bruce Lee Letters of Dragon: The Original 1958-1973 Correspondence?

I suddenly recall him mentioning a piece of his personal jewellery in one of his letters, though he might have been referring to the Universal Polerouter he gifted to Herb Jackson or something entirely different. If someone can check the book for any references to the Seiko, that might be of great help.
 
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