[maxbrux]

Hello everybody,

I've been looking at the Daini 7015-7010 recently and found pics of watches in comparable conditions - up to NOS ones - that have sweep-seconds hand either yellow or orange.

A collector whose opinion I respect, believes the original ones should be orange - the yellow being just the result of fading.

That would make perfect sense, except ... that several of the yellow ones (including NOS) I've seen match almost perfectly the yellow part of the tachymeter scale on the bezel. Just a coincidence?

Can anyone shed any light on this ?

Thanks

 

[Time Seller]

Pictures or it didn't happen... 😉

 

[maxbrux]

No it didn't happen, actually it wasn't even a conversation aimed specifically at buying his watch!

Have you also noticed the orange/yellow alternative?

 

[Time Seller]

I would say you can usually tell whether hands are faded by their look and the corresponding condition of the dial and printing. It's a little simplistic to generalize that yellow hands used to be red or orange. I don't buy that. There are some cases where the same model was produced with hands of different colors...red, orange or yellow.

 

[maxbrux]

There are some cases where the same model was produced with hands of different colors...red, orange or yellow.

Do you know if that was the case for the 7015?
That may explain why equally well preserved examples have different sweep hands colours

 

[Time Seller]

I have no experience with the 7015, but googling it brings up both yellow and orange hands. You might want to check a couple of catalogs.

 

[browncow]

Orange!

 

[CombatID]

I just took a close look at mine which is very original as far as I can tell. The sweep hand is faded some but it’s clearly orange. My pictures don’t do a great job with the color as they do make it more yellow, but it’s clearly orange in the flesh.

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[byscott]

Mine is orange as well.

 

[vincentg]

I do know that paint colors mixed to the same ratio but years apart when subjected to UV can fade and change to radically different colors. I think it is often slight changes to both the tint base used as well as the actual amounts of each tint and then of course the UV damage involved. So many variables involved in paint color and UV damage.

 

[maxbrux]

I have no experience with the 7015, but googling it brings up both yellow and orange hands.

Yes indeed, that's what prompted my initial curiosity - I've seen NOS one on IG with both yellow and orange sweeps ...

 

[maxbrux]

Interesting "democratic" indication in favour of orange as the "factory finish"...

 

[maxbrux]

I do know that paint colors mixed to the same ratio but years apart when subjected to UV can fade and change to radically different colors. I think it is often slight changes to both the tint base used as well as the actual amounts of each tint and then of course the UV damage involved. So many variables involved in paint color and UV damage.

You're absolutely right! And if fact there's a large variety of shades on hands that are known to be legit (so are presumed to have started with the same colour) on practically all references.

However, what I find a rather strange coincidence (if only due to natural fading) is that the yellow sweep-hands I've seen on (otherwise perfect examples of) -7010 matches almost exactly the yellow on the tachymeter bezel 🤔

 

[Time Seller]

I think you can safely assume more than one color was used. If a yellow hand (supposedly faded) is on a fresh-looking or NOS dial, the faded-color theory doesn't make sense if everything else is vivid.
The 6138-8020 Panda for example is seen with both red-tipped and yellow-tipped sweep hands.
I first assumed the yellow tip on mine was faded red, but then I found this catalog shot, which shows a yellow tip.
So, as always, with Seiko, anything is possible.