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Hello everyone! I’m looking for a good Monaco (and if any of you is willing to sell one, feel free to pm me) and found this one for a reasonable price. The seller, answering my questions, honestly doesn’t know if it can be considered fully original (apart from the bracelet). Could you please help me? The caseback looks polished, or used a lot, the dial is nice but I’ve probably seen other similar with sharper lines and numbers. Thank you for your suggestions!
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You're correct the case back had seen some polishing.
The dial is correct, so are the hands.
Hour hand has been relumed and minimal rot on both main hands. The minute recorder hand might be repainted.
The dial has a mixture of missing lume (1,2, 5 and 7), corroded lume and some relumed (12) plots. The person(s) who were here should have relumed the hand set and the all the dial lume plots as this would have been more consistent aesthetically. I wouldn't worry about the dial print, the dial is genuine with minimal patina.
Crystal is a new replacement.
Due to the lighting, I can't assess the pushers. However, if you have one newer than the other, it's likely to be the replacement one based on evidence of case refinishing.

As with these 701x movements, you really want to see the guts as they usually are good at silently rotting away. The cost of replacement parts is awful due to scarcity. Rusting/rot is usually bad with the chronograph mechanism as it wasn't well plated to start. Also, these parts are really flat with no smooth finish/plating and this is a magnet for moisture retention.

From the outside, it looks good. Based on your assessment on the pricing, the determining factor now is the state of the movement before you decide to hand over the money.
Insist on seeing the movement, don't fall for the excuse that the case back is difficult to open. With the straps removed, it takes less time than unscrewing a threaded caseback.

All the best.
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You're correct the case back had seen some polishing.
The dial is correct, so are the hands.
Hour hand has been relumed and minimal rot on both main hands. The minute recorder hand might be repainted.
The dial has a mixture of missing lume (1,2, 5 and 7), corroded lume and some relumed (12) plots. The person(s) who were here should have relumed the hand set and the all the dial lume plots as this would have been more consistent aesthetically. I wouldn't worry about the dial print, the dial is genuine with minimal patina.
Crystal is a new replacement.
Due to the lighting, I can't assess the pushers. However, if you have one newer than the other, it's likely to be the replacement one based on evidence of case refinishing.

As with these 701x movements, you really want to see the guts as they usually are good at silently rotting away. The cost of replacement parts is awful due to scarcity. Rusting/rot is usually bad with the chronograph mechanism as it wasn't well plated to start. Also, these parts are really flat with no smooth finish/plating and this is a magnet for moisture retention.

From the outside, it looks good. Based on your assessment on the pricing, the determining factor now is the state of the movement before you decide to hand over the money.
Insist on seeing the movement, don't fall for the excuse that the case back is difficult to open. With the straps removed, it takes less time than unscrewing a threaded caseback.

All the best.
Thank you so much! It’s been a terrific analysis and I didn’t notice most of the things you mention. You’ve been of great help, I asked the seller some pictures of the movement, the watch is fresh of service. Thank you again, big support, great site!
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Here’s it! “Just serviced”
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I love this and think that the Seiko Monico is one of the most undervalued vintage watches out there (even with their current price premium). I had a vintage Heuer Monaco and, though it was interesting, the Seiko design is much more integrated (not to mention the Seiko has an in house movement and the Heuer had an ETA.) I love everything about this watch…the dial is a bit worn as are the hands and, to me, that makes it even more amazing.
I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread Landic.

I have a 7016-5011 that would like some opinions on its authenticity.

I have asked around previously without any results, so this might be a good chance.

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Hi all.

Sorry, german only.......just for the pics:



Best regards Sven
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VERY NICE !!

Hi all.

Sorry, german only.......just for the pics:



Best regards Sven
It's possibly a new dial as it looks slightly more orangey than mine. Lovely watch though
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It’s a pleasure!
Meanwhile I bought this one!
They’re so beautiful!
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I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread Landic.

I have a 7016-5011 that would like some opinions on its authenticity.

I have asked around previously without any results, so this might be a good chance.

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I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread Landic.

I have a 7016-5011 that would like some opinions on its authenticity.

I have asked around previously without any results, so this might be a good chance.

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I am far from a Monaco expert, the lack of lume-fade and pristine dial would make me do just what you’re doing…ask around. It is worth mentioning that that dial is the most common after-market Monaco creation.
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I am far from a Monaco expert, the lack of lume-fade and pristine dial would make me do just what you’re doing…ask around. It is worth mentioning that that dial is the most common after-market Monaco creation.
I’d also add that I have dozens of vintage Seikos that were stored correctly, barely used, and are just as immaculate as the one you have…they are the most amazing and potentially most disappointing finds. My obsession is looking at the lume (sometimes under a microscope)…then again, I’m sure there are sellers faking aged lume.
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I’d also add that I have dozens of vintage Seikos that were stored correctly, barely used, and are just as immaculate as the one you have…they are the most amazing and potentially most disappointing finds.
Care to explain that comment?
Care to explain that comment?
Just that there are untouched and like-new vintage Seikos out there.
Just that there are untouched and like-new vintage Seikos out there.
I know, but where does the potentially disappointing come in?
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Here are some macro shots. I'm not sure what I should be looking for to determine if genuine or not.

The only thing that is giving me some hope it's original is the overall condition, the hands and case etc. Plus, it runs amazingly well.
The blemishes are all on the crystal.

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I can remove it from the case and get more shots if there are any areas I should focus on.
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I don’t know if it might help, but this is the subdial of mine (10x), it has a radial painting, can’t see a concentric pattern as in yours.
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… mine could have been repainted… who knows!
I recently acquired this 7016-8000 whose previous owner bought NOS 2 years ago. So yes, there are some very lightly used examples around, even after 50 years.
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