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Maybe this should be under "Watchmaking and Tinkering" but wondering if anyone in the NE part of the US is going to the RGM open house on October 5th in Mount Joy, PA. I know that they want to sell some watches, but they only open the place up once or so a year and Mr. Murphy has to be one of the premiere watch makers in the US (and we don't have many). His Rose Engines are worth the free price of admittance alone.

Here is the link: https://www.rgmwatches.com/rgmblog/2019/9/30/rgm-open-house-and-watch-opportunities-this-saturday-october-5?ss_source=sscampaigns&ss_campaign_id=5d92196926a1184c606b0ea9&ss_email_id=5d921b3e9400b028ff83c783&ss_campaign_name=RGM+Open+House&ss_campaign_sent_date=2019-09-30T15:12:13Z.
 

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I admire his effort to have uniquely American watches that echo significant innovations by Illinois, Hamilton, ball.....

America was at the apex of watchmaking, and then WW2 happened, Hamilton made bomb fuses and marine chronometers, Gruen made aviation instruments, Elgin and Bulova made hack watches for the troops.... And none of them would ever recover from retooling costs. Meanwhile, neutral Switzerland stood to reap a record harvest
 

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I was way Excited seeing so many I liked than I saw the prices. Not saying they are not worth it Just some of the Movements??? Then seeing the Add ons like Hacking extra $1750.00 onto $4200 close to $6000.00 I do like the Optional mvts. Going back in time to the Illinois PWs and Goose Neck and Wolfs Teeth Winding System. I spent good amount of Time reading. If I was Closer to PA. I would Go. My most loved time Oct to Nov. to be in the East I Think I miss Home and Fall and Winter but not enough to give up So. Ca. BIG SMILE. Russell
 

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I admire his effort to have uniquely American watches that echo significant innovations by Illinois, Hamilton, ball.....

America was at the apex of watchmaking, and then WW2 happened, Hamilton made bomb fuses and marine chronometers, Gruen made aviation instruments, Elgin and Bulova made hack watches for the troops.... And none of them would ever recover from retooling costs. Meanwhile, neutral Switzerland stood to reap a record harvest
Terrific post! I agree, the American watch makers never fully recovered. A Hamilton Marine Chronometer is on my bucket list too. It's funny though that the Swiss would find their own war fallout in 1969 with the introduction of that new product of Seiko, the Astron. The Swiss never fully recovered from that.
 

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I admire his effort to have uniquely American watches that echo significant innovations by Illinois, Hamilton, ball.....



America was at the apex of watchmaking, and then WW2 happened, Hamilton made bomb fuses and marine chronometers, Gruen made aviation instruments, Elgin and Bulova made hack watches for the troops.... And none of them would ever recover from retooling costs. Meanwhile, neutral Switzerland stood to reap a record harvest


In a nut shell!


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Terrific post! I agree, the American watch makers never fully recovered. A Hamilton Marine Chronometer is on my bucket list too. It's funny though that the Swiss would find their own war fallout in 1969 with the introduction of that new product of Seiko, the Astron. The Swiss never fully recovered from that.


I think they’re doing quite well, maybe better than if they hadn’t been forced to create their high end market. One so good that even now Seiko wants in on it. IMO


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It was an amazing open house. I'll post some pictures when I get a chance. I got to hold Rowland's own prototype of his Pennsylvania Tourbillion that he wears for special occasions. They sell these for $95,000. :eek:
 

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Eagerly waiting !!
 

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Tod - Cannot wait to see the pics. Was just looking at the timepieces RGM has to offer. Beautiful. Looks like not all of their pieces have RGM in house movements. One I was looking at used a modified ETA movement.

I know you were looking for someone to possibly refinish the dial on your Champagne Kakume. RGM offer complete service and restoration services for most vintage watches including dial refinishing. See link.

https://www.rgmwatches.com/repair

I am a fan of Sinn watches and I believe Sinn has an arrangement with RGM to service their watches when the time comes. Interesting.
 

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I agree about this time of the year.

I was way Excited seeing so many I liked than I saw the prices. Not saying they are not worth it Just some of the Movements??? Then seeing the Add ons like Hacking extra $1750.00 onto $4200 close to $6000.00 I do like the Optional mvts. Going back in time to the Illinois PWs and Goose Neck and Wolfs Teeth Winding System. I spent good amount of Time reading. If I was Closer to PA. I would Go. My most loved time Oct to Nov. to be in the East I Think I miss Home and Fall and Winter but not enough to give up So. Ca. BIG SMILE. Russell
I live in Upstate NY and agree with you the Fall is the best time of the year. Not to hot or cold and no bugs. Especially annoying are those black flies. Although now there is a group supporting them. I think it's called "Black Flies Matter".
 

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All, to the points above, yes they also modify existing movements in addition to in-house calibres (like Breitling) and will repair any American or European Watch. I watched one of their watchmakers put a 7750 back together (see pictures) from a Sinn. It was very cool.

Here are some pictures. I’ll try to describe as necessary. The silver disks they were making on the rose engine they were giving away so I got mine for my wife who also came. The last three pictures are of Rowland’s Tourbillon prototype that he wore, which he took off so that I could take the pictures. He only wears it for special occasions. The picture with No. 5 is one that is fully decorated and ready to sell for a cool $95,000. But I’m sure that there is some negotiating possible.

Overall an amazing place that can go from a pencil design to CAD/CAM, to CNC prototype to a finished product. My wife even had a great time.





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Very cool!! I would have loved to have been there!! :) Thanks for sharing the experience!!


Thanks, it was great fun. Rowland is good about answering questions too. I asked about the state of additive printing for watch parts and the tolerances aren’t there yet. I asked this in the context of getting chronograph wheels remade but that’s not possible yet. Also, the cost to produce these remanufactured would be prohibitive. But the employees are terrific and the ones doing watch work come from prestigious schools in Europe. It’s like a little bit of Switzerland landed near Lancaster, PA.


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