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Hello there,

This is my first post and I just wrote quite a few paragraphs and lost it all by press forward on the web page and then when I went back and my message had disappeared :-\

I recently found out about this website from a friend on another forum, he suggested that if I had any questions about Japanese watches, this is the place to ask.

I was surprised to find out that most Japanese watches are not actually made in Japan and contain a mixture of Chinese and Japanese parts. Both J.Springs watches and Orient's current line up are made in China. The only Japanese company that I know of that make automatic watches in Japan is Seiko.

Does anybody know if there is a way to find out which models are solely made in Japan (純日本製) and is there a list somewhere where I can look up the numbers?
 

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In the realm of Seiko, all their premium lines (Grand Seiko, Credor, Izul, Galante, Brightz Phoenix, Ananta) have Japan based manufacturing. But even then, Seiko may still outsource parts and components from elsewhere.


Please read the follow links so you get better familiarized with Seiko's manufacturing processes:


http://www.sii.co.jp/corp/eg/index.html


http://www.shizukuishi-watch.com/eng/index.html


http://www.morioka-seiko.co.jp/Eng/index.html


http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/japanese-asian-watch-forum/37523-close-look-seiko-shinshu-watch-studio-japan.html


http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/shinshu/


Shinshu Watch studio is the home of the Spring Drive movement:


http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/japanese-asian-watch-forum/17883-tour-seiko-epson-factory-shiojiri-japan.html


Citizen also has watch studios in japan, one of them lovated in Heiwa, Nagano Prefecture. Please refer to the following article (From 2006) for more info. Their Campanola luxury range as well as "The Citizen" range are 100% Japanese manufacture:


http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2006_02/WT_2006_02_114.pdf


Orient (wholly owned by Seiko) also has Japan based manufacturing for their premium Royal Orient line:


http://www.orient-watch.jp/


Below luxury/premium lines the lines become much more blurred. Same as "Swiss Made", "Made in Japan" watches can also be interpreted as a minimum certain percentage of Japan made components that are required in order to meet the point of origin certification. Some watches could be cased in China with Japanese owned plants under Japanese supervision that would still qualified the finished product as made in Japan. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find supporting documentation stating the minimum parts content number in order for a watch to qualify as Japan made.
 

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Hello there,

This is my first post and I just wrote quite a few paragraphs and lost it all by press forward on the web page and then when I went back and my message had disappeared :-\
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kenshiro said:
Hello there,

This is my first post and I just wrote quite a few paragraphs and lost it all by press forward on the web page and then when I went back and my message had disappeared :-\

I recently found out about this website from a friend on another forum, he suggested that if I had any questions about Japanese watches, this is the place to ask.

I was surprised to find out that most Japanese watches are not actually made in Japan and contain a mixture of Chinese and Japanese parts. Both J.Springs watches and Orient's current line up are made in China. The only Japanese company that I know of that make automatic watches in Japan is Seiko.

Does anybody know if there is a way to find out which models are solely made in Japan (純日本製) and is there a list somewhere where I can look up the numbers?
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I think that it would be impossible to find a watch that is made from components that were entirely manufactured within one country. Because so much production is outsourced the country of origin labels for countries like Japan, Switzerland, Germany, China really don't tell much about where the parts came from. It will be far easier to find a watch assembled in Japan that has major components like most of the movement originating in Japan.

But a larger question is what you would know about watch quality if the watch in question had all it's parts originating in Japan?

I think it's clear that a country of origin label is a poor indicator of watch quality. Watch maker reputation is a far better indicator.
 

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Thank you for all that information Minidriver. I didn't know that Seiko wholly owns Orient. Seiko really do have the monopoly here in Japan.

Nhoj, I will be sure to stay logged in from now on, thanks.

To SeikoJohn and JakeB, as far as I know Seiko are still making watches that are solely made in Japan. From what the vice manager told me in the Grand Seiko shop, all the spring drive and Grand Seiko watches are 100% Japanese made (純日本製 - Jun Nihonsei). As for the other watches, I believe some are and some aren't.

Excluding Grand Seiko and Spring Drive watches, I am under the impression that the below are also purely Japanese.


Seiko SARB021- 63.000 Yen (100% Made in Japan)

[b]Seiko SARB023 - [/b]63.000 Yen (100% Made in Japan)
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Seiko SARB031 - 50400 yen (100% Made in Japan)



[b]Seiko SAGH001[/b] - Very nice watch, 100% made in Japan but at a high price of 208,000 yen (Has a see-through back).

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[b]Seiko SARB066[/b] - 63.000 yen 100% Made in Japan (Pretty nice watch. as I'm in my 20's I'm not sure if it would suit me though).

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[b]Citizen CTY57-1272 automatic[/b] - 294000 yen (Very nice simple looking Citizen watches. Added in March of this year and the only pure Japanese watches the do)


Here are some watches that I am not sure about yet and quite interested about.

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[b]SEIKO Mechanical 6R20 SARC009 - [/b]75000 yen (Has a see-through back)

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[b]Orient Star WZ0011DE[/b] - 70000 yen (I got informed by Orient that none of their watches are purely Japanese, but I found this labelled as 純国産コンプリケーション自動巻き which means that it has a 100% Retrograde made in Japan complication. As the movement is purely Japanese, maybe the case or the strap is Chinese).

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[b]Seiko SAGH009[/b] - 250,000 yen (I do like the design of this watch and think it will go with a suit or t-shirt. I don't know if this one is 100% Japanese but it does have a very high price tag, so it could be).
 

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I think what they were saying is that while seiko's high end models are still assembled in japan. seiko will not guarantee that all the components going into the watches are. Seiko could very well be manufacturing individual components (especially low cost ones such as crystals, gaskets, hands, etc) in low manufacturing costs locations such as china (where seiko owns several manufacturing plants), and then simply ship the components to japan for assembly into some of their high end models. technically the watch is made in Japan, but it is not made of 100% japanese manufactured pieces. That is what Jake and other where trying to say.

BTW, the same is true of High end watches pretty much the world over.
 

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Thank you for all that information Minidriver. I didn't know that Seiko wholly owns Orient. Seiko really do have the monopoly here in Japan.

Nhoj, I will be sure to stay logged in from now on, thanks.

To SeikoJohn and JakeB, as far as I know Seiko are still making watches that are solely made in Japan. From what the vice manager told me in the Grand Seiko shop, all the spring drive and Grand Seiko watches are 100% Japanese made (純日本製 - Jun Nihonsei). As for the other watches, I believe some are and some aren't.

Excluding Grand Seiko and Spring Drive watches, I am under the impression that the below are also purely Japanese.
Seiko SARB021- 63.000 Yen (100% Made in Japan)
Seiko SARB023 - 63.000 Yen (100% Made in Japan)
Seiko SARB031 - 50400 yen (100% Made in Japan)
Seiko SAGH001 - Very nice watch, 100% made in Japan but at a high price of 208,000 yen (Has a see-through back).
Seiko SARB066 - 63.000 yen 100% Made in Japan (Pretty nice watch. as I'm in my 20's I'm not sure if it would suit me though).
Citizen CTY57-1272 automatic - 294000 yen (Very nice simple looking Citizen watches. Added in March of this year and the only pure Japanese watches the do)
Here are some watches that I am not sure about yet and quite interested about.
SEIKO Mechanical 6R20 SARC009 - 75000 yen (Has a see-through back)
Orient Star WZ0011DE - 70000 yen (I got informed by Orient that none of their watches are purely Japanese, but I found this labelled as 純国産コンプリケーション自動巻き which means that it has a 100% Retrograde made in Japan complication. As the movement is purely Japanese, maybe the case or the strap is Chinese).
Seiko SAGH009 - 250,000 yen (I do like the design of this watch and think it will go with a suit or t-shirt. I don't know if this one is 100% Japanese but it does have a very high price tag, so it could be).
I think you should ask for more detail about which parts are truly made in Japan. The Japanese country-of-origin definition allows some proportion of foriegn made content on watches labeled as made in Japan. Just as the swiss do. And the germans don't even bother with a definition.

But even if there was a watch with 100% of it's parts coming from Japan, what exactly does that tell you about the quality of the watch?
 
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