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...on a 6309-704x ::) .

I'm seriously thinking about getting a vintage diver, and that cushion case would be outstanding, specially since I don't have anything like that in my box, and the prices that I've seen for this watch are affordable to me. The 6105-8119 looks a lot like the 6309 and is a rarer (and therefor more desirable) piece, but prices are pretty higher, so right now I think the 6309 would be a smart option. What I want to hear is your opinions about the following. Look at this pic (from a sale add at TZ - courtesy of jres11):


As you can see, the watch is not pristine, with a scratched case, hands are not too good and the bezel has seen better days, but dial and lume look ok. Let's say I can find a watch in this condition, how hard would it be to make it pristine again? Would I be able to find a new bezel and hands? Can I get the case polished close to a factory look again? And of course, how much would I spend for a top notch restoration of a watch like this :eek: ?

I ask because I like my watches looking as best as possible. I would not like it to look moded, but look new, so of course I would want to use original parts or at least VERY good aftermarket parts. However, I don't even know if I can make the watch look BNIB with aftermarket parts... Since I don't consider myself a collector and I'm definitively not a purist, I would love to have a good-looking 6309 (pristine if possible) but I wouldn't be bothered if 100% of the parts are not factory parts, as long as they have quality.

And now about bracelet/straps. Lug to lug is 22 mm, right? Was the watch ever offered with anything else then rubber straps? Are the correct straps hard to find? I generally prefer a metal bracelet, but if it's totally wrong on the 6309 I'll settle for rubber.

And now the movement: is the 6309 hard to maintain, in terms of parts? I imagine you set the date by pulling the crown to the first stage out, but what about the day? Advancing the hands over midnight until the day changes and then retroceding the hands back to 11pm and going forward again to change one more day? What languages are on the day wheel?

What say you about all this? ::)
 

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LOL, Luciano, loads of questions tonite. I'll try answer some for you. ;)


yes, 22mm lugs.
original parts can be found, you may pay a premium. aftermarket, cheap, in abundance.
very popular model, so maintenance/parts can be sourced
original straps also can be found, heard yobokies sells original seiko's
also super oysters and Anvils available at yobokies. there is also watchadoos look good too, as far as SS bracelets go.
I haven't seen a mesh however, hmmm, I'd like to see that.
possible to find a minty 6309 all original for a price, seen some over past few months every now and then.
I like the wabi on these vintages 6309/6105 to a point. like I said, minty condition, you pay a premium.
I like wabi on the vintage pieces, so that is why I bought the Tsunami, a new 6309 version IMO. A built to the hilt version. VERY SWEET! :)
the day wheels I've seen are english/spanish, kanji on the 6306 version, english/roman, english/farci I think, english/german.
Many of wis-ers here have restored their 6309-704x back to all original. A few good watchmen can/have restore fully with decent prices if one chooses to do so. This has been the choice route of many 6309 dive lovers who want a pristine piece. Many knowledgeable guys with this diver, many choices mods/parts etc. Very popular model.
I love them so much I keep buying them. :-* 6309 love. ;)


Hope that helps. Maybe someone else here more knowledgeable can correct me or add to what I said.
Cheers, Dave.
 

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Dave covered just about everything. I asked about mesh on 6309s last week. Here's a pic:



The day/date is a quick change - pull crown to first stop, rotate one direction for the date, opposite direction for the day.
 

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Luciano,

I think most of your questions were answered above. I'm kinda a bit like you ... I want my watch to look as best as possible, while retaining original parts if possible. I do have a 6105-8110, that has been restored with good aftermarket parts (Stephen Go @ thewatchworks). It looks brand new.

I also have a 6309-7040 inbound that is all original. It appears to be in great shape, except for a ding in the bezel and bezel insert. I don't know if I should replace these, or leave them original to the watch, and just deal with it. I'll post a pic...


 

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Wow, Jeff, those mesh do look 8)
I've gotta try one out, where to buy those ones? They look slightly different from ones I've seen before and even the one I have for my monster, too bad its 20mm and won't fit on my 6309's.


thanks, Dave.
 

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Thanks guys (specially Dave)! O:)

From what you're saying I could get an almost brand-new looking watch, and that's what I was intending. Some wabi is ok, but I rather get it as pristine as possible, even though I'll obviously will have to pay a premium for that. Could anyone give me a rough ballpark for a mint or at least VERY GOOD 6309? This not a project I'll go through right now, so I would like to know how much I'll have to reserve for it when I do get to it.

And about the bracelets, I'm pretty sure a mesh was not stock, but would it be period correct? And what about the oyster? The cool thing about that mesh is that because of the shape of the case, there's only a small gap between the spring bar and case, and therefor the bracelet looks good. I for one don't like when there's a big gap, like for instance what you see when you put an aftermarket without end caps on a Sumo
 

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I've seen near mint 6309s go for anywhere from $500-750. You're probably better off getting a clean one for $250 and having Ken or Jack restore it ($150-250 depending on what needs to be done). Many of the original parts from Seiko are no longer available (bezel inserts; straps) but there are suitable replacements out there. I've had 8 or 9 6306/09s and they're great watches (still have one and wear it often). 6105s are equally nice and have the applied indices but, as you note, are more expensive and harder to find in good condition (esp. the dial).
 

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Ok, that's not too bad. And that what I was thinking: getting a decent example and then having it restored, so the financial part is divided into at least two blows.
 

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Look for one with as little discoloration of the indices as possible. Originally they were white but often age to off-white/cream or green-gray (the latter from moisture exposure, I think). I find they gray less attractive (it can be spotty looking). The "water resist" text has almost always faded to yellow, even in NOS examples which have been posted here, but several years ago a forumer found one new in box and the text was red (similar to the later 7002s). A good relume can cover any color change on the indices, and looks very good if done correctly, but I chose to leave the one I've kept alone, so it has only a brief glow (see below). Have you read through the buyers guide that Gabe put together a few years back? (http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,153.0.html)

 

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I would definitely read Gabe's buyer guide on this model as suggested early. I found it very helpful when I was searching for this model. I then felt confident enough to search ebay and found one at a very reasonable price for just under 85 bucks. It is all orginal and I then cleaned it up a bit and replaced the gaskets, crystal, and overhauled the movement. I purchased a bracelet and endlinks from Swedefrek. Steve

 

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Gabe's thread is great! I haven't come by that thread yet, thanks for the link!

Well, looks like my idea is good, and most important of all, feasible. I started thinking about a 6309 because of Noah's Tsunami, but then I reasoned that I could have the real deal. The best part is that I doubt that I'll spend the same on a nice 6309 as I would on a Tsunami.
 

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I think everyone should have at least one 6309 diver, all original or not. But its still no Tsunami. Far from comparison, similar yet different beasts IMO. Good to have both. But get a 6309 first as they are more accessible for cheap.


Gabes buyer guide is invaluable. I wish I read about before I bought my first 6309 blindly and uneducated. I was told all original, but far from it after reading Gabe's guide. :( I learned the hard way.


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I wasn't saying that the Tsunami could substitute a 6309 (or vice-versa). They're in totally different leagues. What got me thinking about the Tsunami was the cushion case, a style that I don't have anything similar in my box. Being honest, if you forget about the history and heritage and just look at them was watches the Tsunami blows a 6309 out of the water so bad it ain't funny.
 

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Luciano,

Get with the program and get a Tsunami! C'mon, man! You won't regret it, take my word for it. A fellow forumer of ours at www.relogiosmecanicos.com.br - Marcos Sá - bought one and showed it to me last week, personally. I ended up buying 2 Tsunamis from Noah. They are inbound. I currently own a few 6309-7040 and I can attest to you: the Tsunami is ONE HELL OF A WATCH! Noah Fuller managed to build his masterpiece, I'll tell you that. It screams QQQQUUUUUUAAAALLLLLIIIITTTTTYYYY once you strap it around your wrist. I could go out on a limb and risk saying an heresy here, but here it goes: The Tsunami improved what the 6309 left behind in every way, shape and form. The watch is THAT good. I had a hard time keeping from hitting my friend in the head and running away with his watch. What stopped me from doing that was probably my order placed with Mr. Fuller for my 2 exemplars, LOL! By the way, I'm not affiliated with Noah in any way. I'm just giving respect where it is due, here. Whoever deems the Tsunami as a worthless copycat of an iconic Seiko is a sorry arse pitfull individual, to say the least.

In my book, every 6309 aficcionado should get both watches: the Tsunami and The 6309-704x.

Just my honest opinion.
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Gabe's thread is great! I haven't come by that thread yet, thanks for the link!
Well, looks like my idea is good, and most important of all, feasible. I started thinking about a 6309 because of Noah's Tsunami, but then I reasoned that I could have the real deal. The best part is that I doubt that I'll spend the same on a nice 6309 as I would on a Tsunami.
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Oh I don't know about that....I bought a very nice and all original 6309-7049 a couple of years ago and depending how you go the costs do add up...

Watch $230
Flat Sapphire $ 50
Dial/Hand/Bezel Pip relume $140
Junked 6309-7290 f/Farsi day wheel $ 35
Service $125
Domed Sapphire (because it's cooler) $ 45
Hacking Kit $ 60

Total (not including the myriad of bracelet/strap options bought) ~ $685 - not much less than a Tsunami but worth every penny!
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Oh I don't know about that....I bought a very nice and all original 6309-7049 a couple of years ago and depending how you go the costs do add up...

Watch $230
Flat Sapphire $ 50
Dial/Hand/Bezel Pip relume $140
Junked 6309-7290 f/Farsi day wheel $ 35
Service $125
Domed Sapphire (because it's cooler) $ 45
Hacking Kit $ 60

Total (not including the myriad of bracelet/strap options bought) ~ $685 - not much less than a Tsunami but worth every penny!

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Mind saying who did the re-lume? It looks perfect!
 
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