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After spending some time learning about this reference thanks to member's contributions on this forum I plucked up the courage to give my first vintage turtle purchase a go.

This is the first one I've handled in person so any comments are much appreciated.

Beveled date window ✓
Six o'clock marker above Japan 6309 704L T ✓
Suwa symbol above 6 o'clock with Japan A case back ✓
Serial number in correct date range ✓
Flat looking hands (although corroded) ✓
Original finish to upper surface of case ?? Whether refinished.
Bezel insert slanting inwards slightly with large lume pip ✓
Triangle wraps inner edge of bezel insert and slight gap to outside edge ✓
Crown takes about three and a half turns to lock ✓
Crystal flat with frosted edge ✓ original ?

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Nice. And agree it should have a large spline crown. PM if you want one as I have some available.

Well done for doing your research aswell for what to look for so you end up with a good example like this. The crown can be sorted and the rest looks pretty good.
 

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Never tiered of seeing a Newer member Source there first 6309-704x. For some the hands being OEM is reason to keep them as is. For others having OEM nice hands Supersedes having the Hands be OEM to the watch. For me looking at a Nice dial, hands and Insert is my Joy, unless there is an Emotional link to the watch and needs to stay as she is. Wabi does have its Place imho. As time goes by its not all that easy to Find OEM Hands It seems recently the " past 5 years or so, hands are Scarce. IMO what used to take a few days "WTB Hands"may need a Few Months or longer. Not like you can just order OEM parts for most Vintage Seiko's 50+ years old. As time passes the Hunt for Org. Mvt Parts, Bracelets , Straps etc has Directly Effected the Rising Prices of OEM 6309-704x I envy to a point The YOUNGER seiko collector that will be alive to see were the market will go for the 6309,6105, Vintage GS & K.S in Twenty or Thirty years. A Smiling Thought.
 

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Nice tortoise, how/where did you find it?
Thanks for everyone's comments.

This one came up on a local buy and sell forum by a pawn broker.

Everything seemed to check out from the couple of pictures provided so I quickly made an offer and it was wrapped up and on it's way to me within the hour!
 

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Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.


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For some the hands being OEM is reason to keep them as is. For others having OEM nice hands Supersedes having the Hands be OEM to the watch.
Being new to this reference and never seen one in the flesh I found it difficult to determine from looking at pictures whether the hands are flat or not.

It may sound strange but it gave me some comfort to see the the corroded hands as the chance they were original/OEM improved.

This means there would have been some intrusion of moisture/water into the case. The dial seems to have survived and is in very good condition but not sure how the movement has fared.

Will leave everything as is but will send off for a full service.
 

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Very nice. Congrats. Hands appear to be original, based on their condition..


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Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.


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Well spotted. I've got the side by side comparison below. I remember reading a post on this. Will go back and find it.

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I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.
 

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I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.
Thanks for the information Guy.
 
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