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well i was not going to say anything but after reading this thread all the way
i know DCVW well and they also did some very shady things with me after a few transactions
i was the one who recommended he come here as well
i fully apologize for that as i thought he was a honest guy
very sad to see what i seen years ago is even worse than i knew about
if it were me
i would be very diligent with any possible purchases with them
just my 2 cents
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Well to the silver 6139 600X's
i am told the later no text models are only 6002's
dials i have seen all state Chronograph Automatic
and i am told they started somewhere in the early 1972's
is this info correct?
i am also told they also had a different rotor too which has writing on it too
are the hands the same as the other models too?
no finish differences or anything like that?
the reason why i ask all of these questions
i have a original 6002 silver
which is missing parts
and i want to be sure what i put back on it is correct
thank u again for all the research as we all appreciate it
more than u know
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No need to apologise for @DCVW , John - he's been largely absent anyway, except for trying to puff up the black dial 6139-6010 as "True Bruce Lee". During the back-and-forth we had with my Kakume being called out as a fake, he never responded to my direct messages on IG and removed the comments I put on the post. When I later pointed out via DM that the silver RESIST discusssed earlier in this thread was a fake, I got blocked. If someone blocks you on IG it looks to you like they just don't exist - you don't see their profile or any of their posts when searching, unless you happen to have another IG account and check from there :)

We all make mistakes, and what's great about SCWF and most of our members is the willingness to share, to learn and even to admit if we got something wrong and correct it for the future. As to our friend at DCVW ... oh the irony; presenting yourself as an expert then not acknowledging or handling complaints well... from the last Feiko Friday post
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Anyway. Back to the matter at hand.

i am told the later no text models are only 6002's

Corect - the silver dials are all 6000/6001/6002. The transitions appear to be the same as with other colours - so up to mid 1970 we'd see PROOF/PROOF watches then PROOF/RESIST and RESIST/RESIST 6001s, with 6030T dials, then later RESIST/RESIST 6002s, with 6030T or 6030R dials. 1972 is the last time we'd expect to see a RESIST marked 6002.

dials i have seen all state Chronograph Automatic

Corect - they were all 3-line 6030T/6030R marked dials, no 6009 or 6005/7.

and i am told they started somewhere in the early 1972's

No-text models may have started from mid/late 1972 - I have a genuine silver RESIST 6030R dial which is dated May 1972.

i am also told they also had a different rotor too which has writing on it too

Not as a rule; I've never seen a silver with DAINISEIKOSHA etc on the Rotor - only US market watches had that AFAIK and there was never a silver dial Americas watch.

are the hands the same as the other models too?
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That’s disappointing considering the price that’s being asked for the watches.

I understand that mistakes were made sometimes even by expert but in case of the silver pogue it is a bit disingenuous or misleading to state that resist dial were still made in 74.
Lots of interesting reading in this thread!

I agree with @boostchrono that we all make mistakes, and that there are two sides to every story. Whilst the blocking and removal of posts challenging authenticity of watches for sale is unforgivable, I do hope that DCVW contacted the buyer of the silver Pogue to resolve. This is perhaps a very optimistic thought!

I write this as I read the post whilst listening to the Fratello - DCVW podcast - and there is specific mention of 6139 fakery and develoment of a sixth-sense to spot Feikos (scroll to 46.59 minutes on the podcast if interested). This comment is particularly ironic given the content of this thread.

I would like to point out that I have not purchased a watch from DCVW, nor do I know anyone in the company. My comments are based solely on this forum thread (from the established and respected collectors) and the podcast.
 

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Really interesting reading - thanks to everyone for contributing.

I'm pretty new to the vintage Seiko scene, but not to the vintage watch scene.

Fascinating to make new friends here and on IG, who have a wealth of incredible knowledge.

Friendly bunch too (try the vintage Rolex guys - many, many wankers there these days. The good guys went off-line ages ago!)

I aim to contribute some of my exciting purchases, and probably ask some rookie questions

Cheers,

Rich
(watchatalkinbout on IG)

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This is my 6139 6000, from October 1969. date wheel in Spanish/English. I acquired it in 2009, before the proliferation of fakes, so I don't know how to assume that ALL the date wheels are in Chinese or Roman. Otherwise it meets all the requirements .....
Very nice indeed. I wonder how this watch came to be in Spain with a Spanish day wheel? Maybe a dealer imported it and had the daywheel changed to make it easier to sell in Spain? We'll probably never know. Ewan may have some ideas.....
 

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Ask him why he thinks that! I don’t see any red flags. Do change the time, so buyer/we have a better view of sub dial hand, and show pic of case back. Very nice example, from what I can see.
Are the oushers aftermarket? They appear to have grooves. They shouldn’t.
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Thanks everyone, i was worryied there for a second.He says the A in japan suppose to be flat on top and i told him on the R dial they are pointy.
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Still curious as to why there appear to be grooves in the pushers. Pushers should be completely smooth, with beveled edges. Otherwise they are incorrect aftermarket replacements.

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Chiming in on @tom1914's watch - that dial looks fine to me too, in fact it shows one tell-tale you don't typically get on aftermarket, RESIST, 6030R dials - the stroke at 9 oclock is short, whereas on 6030T RESIST and PROOF dials, it's long.

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(I do wonder if the hour hand is a replacement or has been relumed, and in fact, wonder if the dial lume has also been re-done at some point - it does look very clean compared to the minute hand)

As for @Lince's PROOF above; who knows why it has a Spanish day wheel... maybe that was an option from the factory at point of manufacture, or maybe it was swapped at some point in the past during a service... I'd imagine if you were Spanish and you were getting the watch serviced in the 1980s or whenever, you might well add a few extra pesetas to swap the day wheel, especially if the original was English & Chinese...
 

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