Late Late Edit: Sold in 2016
Let's talk about the history of Silver 6139-600x
Whether you call the model a "Silver Pogue" or if you insist on only referring to yellow 6139-6005s as "Pogues", the silver-dial 6139-600x variant is both rare and increasingly popular.
I'd like to try and gather what we collectively know, in one place if possible - so please let us know about Silver Pogues you have ...
What I know about Silver Pogues
There's nothing worse than an armchair expert who bases their opinion on a hunch with nothing to back it up.
That said, I have some theories about Silver 6139s that I'd like to test - if you think this (or any of the above assertions) is wrong, and can point to evidence to that effect, please speak up. Maybe we'll all learn something.
I'd like to try and gather what we collectively know, in one place if possible - so please let us know about Silver Pogues you have ...
What I know about Silver Pogues
- They were available from 1969 - I have had 3 PROOFs in my hand, 2 from July and 1 from October. All were 6139-6000, with WATER 70M PROOF on the dial and WATERPROOF casebacks. The PROOF dial is always a 6030T dial code; 6030R PROOFs are ebay fakes.
- There are 6139-6001 watches with Silver 6030T dials.
- Q: has anyone ever seen a 6139-6001 with 6030R dial and confirmed the dial is real? In any colour?
- There are 6139-6002 models with WATER 70m RESIST dials in both 6030T and 6030R variants. There are no -6005 or -6009 watches with a silver dial.
- There are 1972 onward 6030T and 6030R dial variants with no text at 9 o'clock
- All Silver dial 6139-600x have a black/gray chapter ring
- No Seiko catalog has ever been proven to show a silver dial watch
- Q: The monochrome Universal Suppliers catalog (here) that's used as proof of the "Aussie Pogue" existing, has one image which most people assume is a yellow dial watch...
... but the key at the start of the catalog does say ...
... so it is always possible that the above image is not yellow, but "grey".
- Q: The monochrome Universal Suppliers catalog (here) that's used as proof of the "Aussie Pogue" existing, has one image which most people assume is a yellow dial watch...
There's nothing worse than an armchair expert who bases their opinion on a hunch with nothing to back it up.
That said, I have some theories about Silver 6139s that I'd like to test - if you think this (or any of the above assertions) is wrong, and can point to evidence to that effect, please speak up. Maybe we'll all learn something.
- There were no JDM silver dial 6139-600x - ie no 5 Sports Speedtimers.
- Q: did they even sell the silver 6139-600x in Japan? I somehow doubt it as there were so many other JDM only variants, why would they need to?
- The Silver 6139-600x were only sold in what we could say is Asia-Pacific - perhaps centering around Australia and Hong Kong - not Europe or North America
- Most will have been shipped with Stelux President bracelet
- Perhaps the chiclet bracelet was an option; there are certainly some which purport to be one-owner watches with chiclet bracelet
- Is there any evidence that a silver-dial watch came on an H-link bracelet?
- I have had 2x 70M PROOF watches which came to me in barn-find condition on straight-end diamondback bracelets (like this)... not a great fit but it seems like a coincidence...
- The Day wheel on Silver watches is always either Chinese or Roman (I. II, III etc)
- All silver 6139-6000 PROOFs I've seen are Chinese... I'd be inclined to think that it was only sold in Hong Kong, and all of them have Chinese wheels, then they added Roman as an alternative when the 6001/2 came out and was more widely distributed
- As a reminder - the Chinese day wheel has
- 日 - Sunday
- 一 - Monday
- 二 - Tuesday
- 三 - Wednesday
- 四 - Thursday
- 五 - Friday
- 六 - Saturday
- Some owners of Silver dial watches report Kanji day wheels - is it possible they're getting Kanji and Chinese mixed up?
- I know of one Silver with an Italian day wheel (which I think is pretty unusual in itself), but wonder if it and any other languages are outliers (maybe a previous owner got the day wheel swapped during a service)
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Not always Jon - check out the clock face on the Elizabeth Tower, aka ‘Big Ben’ -
HahahaNot always Jon - check out the clock face on the Elizabeth Tower, aka ‘Big Ben’ -
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I saw "him" in real life and never noticed !
Hey it is just a convention used often to "balance" the dial certainly not a rule.
Hi Guys, I'm new to this forum and very late to this thread but since I own a 6139 Silver 'proof' I thought id share a picture. Sorry I dont have a picture of it alone (everything is in storage due to Covid discplacement) and this is the only picture I have on my computer at the moment. I picked this 6139 up at a small watch seller/repair shop a few years ago in SF. It had been an 'abandoned' watch that came in for a service in the 90s and never picked up and then lost in inventory by the watchmaker. They found it by chance and put it out in the display case and I was the lucky guy who walked in at the right moment. I have always loved the Pogues and would have been happy with any model, but Its only after I bought it that I learned how rare this model is. It has a h-link signed Seiko bracelet when purchased by me, but I took that off to not scratch it up any further and in this picture its on an Uncle Seiko h-link. Take care and I look forward to more Silver Proof discussion that I hopefully wont be late on.
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Nice one - when you do get your watch(es) back in-hand, it would be good to confirm the first 2 digits of the serial no (for year/month) and the Day wheel language... also, if you could share photos of the clasp and end links of the bracelet too, that would be nice to document
As a reminder - the Chinese day wheel has
- 日 - Sunday
- 一 - Monday
- 二 - Tuesday
- 三 - Wednesday
- 四 - Thursday
- 五 - Friday
- 六 - Saturday
Kyle, you forgot to request Written Permission with Certificate of Authenticity before using one of my photo's.............
I've been following this thread but have been too busy to chime in or dig out any of my silver dial 6139's for comparision. When time allows I'll see if I can add anything.
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I've been following this thread but have been too busy to chime in or dig out any of my silver dial 6139's for comparision. When time allows I'll see if I can add anything.
Kyle, you forgot to request Written Permission with Certificate of Authenticity before using one of my photo's.............
Tom, I did not realize this was your watch but I should have realized as you often use a blue background
I recently caught a faint glimpse of this while looking through Ebay listings. Offered with a Buy-It-Now or Best Offer. Rather than wait for a reply to a Best Offer I smashed the BIN button with Extreme Prejudice (I should ask member CombatID for written permission before using his phrase)
Hmmmm, just use (c) after.Tom, I did not realize this was your watch but I should have realized as you often use a blue background
I recently caught a faint glimpse of this while looking through Ebay listings. Offered with a Buy-It-Now or Best Offer. Rather than wait for a reply to a Best Offer I smashed the BIN button with Extreme Prejudice (I should ask member CombatID for written permission before using his phrase)
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It's never a problem my friend!..............Tom, I did not realize this was your watch but I should have realized as you often use a blue background
I recently caught a faint glimpse of this while looking through Ebay listings. Offered with a Buy-It-Now or Best Offer. Rather than wait for a reply to a Best Offer I smashed the BIN button with Extreme Prejudice (I should ask member CombatID for written permission before using his phrase)
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I think this could be the 6139-7002 style bracelet you show. The ratio of widths of side and center link pieces is different. I'd like to see underside photos when you get it.This just came in the mail today from Indonesia. Production date is Feb 71’
Has anyone seen any 6002 that comes with this tapered style of stelux bracelet?
I think this should clean nicely with a good relume job and service.
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My January 1971 on the Pogue version Stelux non tapered
President next to a -7002 tapered
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