[xargos]

Hi ,


I have juste received this watch from an ebay seller. I am pretty sure it's a fake. Could you confirm ?






















And if this is really a fake, what can I do ? I have already open a Paypal reclamation but the seller want the watch back to refund me wich is illegal if the item is counterfeit.


Thanks a lot for your answers

 

[OldHippie1968]

I would hate to tell you, but I suspect so. The dial and bezel insert are dead wrong.

Cheers!
Mike

 

[stumpbass]

Dial is aftermarket or fake; definitely not original Seiko. Bezel and caseback look WRONG to me. Chapter ring looks too tall?

 

[whitemonster]

What I don't understand is: who would take the trouble of producing a fake of a watch that can have costed never more than $100??
So, it must be real.

 

[pseikofan]

Have you opened the caseback to see what movement is inside the watch? My bet is that it's a pieced together/rebuilt Seiko with replaced parts. Did you buy it as a new or used piece?

 

[Pei Der Han]

Hi ,


I have juste received this watch from an ebay seller. I am pretty sure it's a fake. Could you confirm ?






















And if this is really a fake, what can I do ? I have already open a Paypal reclamation but the seller want the watch back to refund me wich is illegal if the item is counterfeit.


Thanks a lot for your answers

It's a classic fake...probably produced by Fujita. Google Fujita Watch Craft Co. and you'll see some other classics there too :'(

 

[Technoman]

Yep, definitely looks just like a Fujita copy..

It's a classic fake...probably produced by Fujita. Google Fujita Watch Craft Co. and you'll see some other classics there too :'(

 

[Guest]

Big time fake. I have the same one. I sent it to lew a couple years ago to get modded and he opened it up and couldnt do anything with it. It wa a Chinese. Then the piece of junk quit running.

 

[jason_recliner]

Dial is aftermarket or fake; definitely not original Seiko. Bezel and caseback look WRONG to me. Chapter ring looks too tall?

But apart from the dial, bezel, caseback, and chapter ring, it's legit, right?

 

[rallydiver]

So help me understand. You want your money back and you want to keep the watch? ???

"I have already open a Paypal reclamation but the seller want the watch back to refund me wich is illegal if the item is counterfeit"

 

[ADB]

Hi,
It would be interesting if you could provide a link to this transaction.
And now that you know it's a Chinese feiko, you have two choices:
[list type=decimal]
Send it back and get a refund, lesson learned for the cost of shipping it back.
Keep the watch. Lesson learned for the cost of whatever you bid for it plus postage.
[/list]Should you decide to keep it, could you have it opened and take a few pictures of the mechanism, and share them with us?
Thanks,
Cheers,

 

[jason_recliner]

I reckon you should keep it.

Freeze it, then boil it, then freee it, then boil it.

See how he's running after an impromptu torture test

 

[tunafied]

yeah man......would be good if you can share maybe a photo of the movement, :-*

so now best and only 2 choices are what member ADB mentioned;

return for refund-lesson learnt small time

keep it-lesson learnt big time ;D

 

[xargos]

Thank you for all your answers !

Have you opened the caseback to see what movement is inside the watch? My bet is that it's a pieced together/rebuilt Seiko with replaced parts. Did you buy it as a new or used piece?

I haven't opened the watch yet, but I'll as soon as I get the tools to do it properly. I buy it as an used piece.

So help me understand. You want your money back and you want to keep the watch? ???

"I have already open a Paypal reclamation but the seller want the watch back to refund me wich is illegal if the item is counterfeit"

I don't want to keep the watch but I would like the seller to pay the return fee.

Hi,
It would be interesting if you could provide a link to this transaction.
And now that you know it's a Chinese feiko, you have two choices:

• 
  Send it back and get a refund, lesson learned for the cost of shipping it back.
  Keep the watch. Lesson learned for the cost of whatever you bid for it plus postage.

Should you decide to keep it, could you have it opened and take a few pictures of the mechanism, and share them with us?
Thanks,
Cheers,

Here is the transaction link : http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200477921937#ht_2435wt_1137


Do you think the case is genuine ? The two spikes between the crown seems a bit too thin (or piked) compare to a genuine one ( picture above)
If at least the case is genuine I can try to mod it. ( If the movement is a real one as well)

 

[ADB]

Hi,
I know it sounds like a PITA to package the darn thing, queue at the post office and pay to have it shipped back, and finally get a refund, but I still think it's the best solution.
Buying a used diver watch on the bidding site is always... well... difficult, let's say. I have been through that too... (and worse) :
If you want to buy a used diver watch, try the SCTF, there are good opportunities from time to time.
Cheers,

 

[tunafied]

Lets just hope the movement is an unmeddled with seiko 7S26B...

anyway seller has made known the condition(maybe not clear to newbies) and that this watch is a 'franken' mod watch with aftermarket parts in his auction.

"This watch is used and in good working condition, newly overhauled and replaced the dial ,hands,crown, bezel insert + newly buffed and polished like new very beautiful watch 100% working condition, and water proof Tested (in no pressure)"

If I am an interested buyer,I wouldnt have bidded in this auction if I'm looking to find an all original piece. 'Replaced' usually means Aftermarket... unless the seller mentioned 'replaced using original.....'

and for that price...its not possible to find an all original piece..

also the pics aren't clear enough to see the details.

You should ring an alarm when he has 10 of that watch for sale...

'I have more than 10 of this kind of watch my daytime job is to buy seiko watches especially divers watches and re-condition replaced all neccesary parts to look like new and good working condition'.......

 

[stumpbass]

But apart from the dial, bezel, caseback, and chapter ring, it's legit, right?

I think you misunderstood my post... sorry for being ambiguous. I don't believe the watch to be genuine Seiko. Period. I was merely pointing out the parts that were obviously not authentic as a way of leading others to the same conclusion.

 

[Isthmus]

not only is this watch a fake, but as Pin Guan Pete pointed out, it is a well documented one. these fake 007's have been making the rounds of the watch collecting community for a few years now and there are a number of threads documenting them. Just run a search here and in our mirror archives, you should find lots of reading material. Rest asured, this is not an original with aftermarket parts, this is 100% feiko.

 

[whitemonster]

Still, I really don't understand: why take the trouble of producing fake 007's? Seems to me that won't make you rich.
Clearly I don't understand the criminal mind. Can anyone explain??

 

[Isthmus]

Still, I really don't understand: why take the trouble of producing fake 007's? Seems to me that won't make you rich.
Clearly I don't understand the cookie monster mind. Can anyone explain??

while I agree with you, i doubt anyone is thinking about getting rich here. Instead it is probably just easier to make these watches cheaply and unload them regularly, while making a steady income, than trying to convince folks, say, that the fake you are selling is a Panerai or a rolex and that they should pay you a few grand for it. Let's face it, most folks won't question the originality of a $150 watch, so if you can sell it at market, you are probably making a decent return per piece.

Look at it this way, Fake G-shocks are far more common, and those are generally cheaper than 007's.