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Straight from the article:
"The Indian watch market is estimated around 55 million units and valued around Rs 4,700 crore. Over 50 per cent of this market is unorganised, primarily in the low-end and dominated by small players assembling watches illegally, smuggled watches and fakes."

Only solidifying my position to pass over any ebay auction shipping from India. Sorry India, even if that vintage Seiko dial is real with a bad re-paint, god only knows what lurks inside with home made parts instead of OEM to fix the movement, etc.
 

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Straight from the article:
"The Indian watch market is estimated around 55 million units and valued around Rs 4,700 crore. Over 50 per cent of this market is unorganised, primarily in the low-end and dominated by small players assembling watches illegally, smuggled watches and fakes."

Only solidifying my position to pass over any ebay auction shipping from India. Sorry India, even if that vintage Seiko dial is real with a bad re-paint, god only knows what lurks inside with home made parts instead of OEM to fix the movement, etc.
 

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Sorry India, even if that vintage Seiko dial is real with a bad re-paint, god only knows what lurks inside with home made parts instead of OEM to fix the movement, etc.
It's a murky area.
Who knows what other parts are being produced in India? If it's commissioned by Seiko, would you still buy a part even if it was made in India?
If the part/case came from the same Indian factory but wasn't official Seiko stock, would you consider it OEM?
 

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It's a murky area.
Who knows what other parts are being produced in India? If it's commissioned by Seiko, would you still buy a part even if it was made in India?
If the part/case came from the same Indian factory but wasn't official Seiko stock, would you consider it OEM?
Sure I'll buy any SEIKO branded OEM part or NOS watch regardless of where it was made. I just don't trust the used watches from India because while certainly there are a ton of reputable watch guys there, you must know the seller well.

I just bought a French Ebauche movement part that was incredibly hard to find and my guy in India had it in stock so I scooped it up. I trust this guy.

"Buy the Seller, not the watch" is the age old adage and it's a good one.
 

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Abdullah you are NOT included ! ! ! Especially after the fine favors you have given me! I promise to get to my projects and post once complete.

Again, Buy the Seller, you and any watch you represent are fully trustworthy !!! Please no offense :)

I just never realized the percentage of suspect watches and parts exceeded 50% of the Indian watch market. Now that's scary. And ebay is already the land of the unknown to begin with.
 

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Hello,

i am based in Mumbai, India and recently had the opportunity to visit a vintage watch seller which goes by the name of wristmenwatches on chrono24. I had seen a couple of Omega Mark2 speedmasters on chrono24 and had called him up to enquire. frankly, i thought the pictures he had put up were not even close to the real thing. Nevertheless, i decided to take a trip to his workshop to check them out in person.

Now mind you, i am fully aware about the scams that take place in India. things are put together from different parts and sold off as new or vintage and sold with a garuntee that " if ever something goes wrong, please send it back and we will repair it for you".

So, i got some pictures from the internet and put them on the phone so i could compare them with his watches. His workshop is a small place for seating 5-6 people. the moment i saw his watches i knew, they were not original. i even showed him the pictures that i got and he told me the pictures were fake and he's got the real thing. the movement gleamed inside the watch like it was just manufactured. the watch did work but didnt instill any confidence. he said i could return the watches whenever i wanted and he would give me 90% of the money back. he just wanted to make a sale and was trying his best to push me into buying one. it was a franken.
I simply walked out of the place and since then i have decided never to buy a vintage watch in India.
 

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Seiko use Seiko designed robots and machinery in all their factories, use their own design and production techniques and quality control- whether it's in Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Korea or wherever they may be.
I haven't seen any instances of Seiko watches or parts being sub-standard because of country of manufacture - so I don't expect it to happen anytime soon, it would be corporate suicide.
India is perfectly capable of excellent engineering and manufacture - they have aerospace industries and own international companies like Land Rover.
It wasn't so long ago that we were talking about Chinese parts in the same light - but they have proved that they can do it.
Seiko will not allow their name to be dragged down by inferior products- hence why the QC is to Japanese standards.
Seiko Epson produce the metal powders to manufacture watch parts, including cases - so they will, no doubt, be providing the technology to ensure good quality.
http://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japanese-watch-discussion-forum/114034-seiko-epson-metal-powder.html
 

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I earn my living in the largest most profitable industry in the World, where safety (and revenue ) critical items are inherent and common.

On a weekly basis, i see in black and white that the many of the biggest companies in the World will not touch components or materials from various countries. These companies spend billions producing some of the largest structures on the planet - and in some cases they specify that not even the smallest, simplest component originates from these countries. Even with all the controls that these organisations put in place, they take the stance that they do for sound reasons.
 

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Never the less - as I said before, I still haven't seen Seiko selling defective parts or watches - wherever in the world they have been made. So they obviously have a handle on these matters - others may want to give their own experiences, but time has shown that they are good at what they do.
 

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mmm- worrying if its going to be Indian made. Hope the quality doesn't suffer
If it's cases only I don't think I would be too worried where it came from.
You need to also bear in mind that "Swiss made" is not 100% Swiss. I can't remember how much of a watch has to be Swiss before it can be legally be labelled Swiss made, but I do know it's less than 80%.
In that vein, apart from mid Ti high range Japanese watches I would guess that they aren't 100% Japanese either.
 

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If it's cases only I don't think I would be too worried where it came from.
You need to also bear in mind that "Swiss made" is not 100% Swiss. I can't remember how much of a watch has to be Swiss before it can be legally be labelled Swiss made, but I do know it's less than 80%.
In that vein, apart from mid Ti high range Japanese watches I would guess that they aren't 100% Japanese either.
That's a hornet's nest you're opening, lol. If it says made in Japan and it's Seiko - it is made in Japan.
They follow the rules laid down by the Japanese governing body JCWA, which is very specific.
The parts that make up the watch may be produced by a Seiko factory in another country - but the movement will be assembled in Japan and it will be cased in Japan.
 
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