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* remark 2015-1017: new info has become available - 4006-7000 7030T "Business Bell" added to the list.

IMO, in order of rarity:

1. 1966 4006-7000 "Diashock" w/dolphin caseback
2. 1967 4006-7000 7030T "Business Bell"
3. 1967 4006-7019 21J US export model
4. 1967 4006-7000 "Diashock"
5. 1968 4006-7029 21J US export model
6. 1967 4006-7010 7040T "Business Bell"
7. 1968/69 4005-7000 "Date Only"

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IMO, in order of rarity:

1. 1966 4006-7000 "Diashock" w/dolphin caseback
2. 1967 4006-7019 21J US export model
3. 1967 4006-7000 "Diashock"
4. 1968 4006-7029 21J US export model
5. 1967 4006-7010 "Business Bell"
6. 1968/69 4005-7000 "Date Only"

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Hermann
Thanks for the list.
 

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Thanks for the list.
You are welcome :)
Selecting your next target?

Personally, I would go for the Business Bell, the -701 case looks fantastic IMO. A couple of notes regarding availability:

- The Diashocks, Business Bell and Date only models are best procured from Japan, that is were they were originally issued (JDMs)
- The 21J-Models are best found on eBay, but you need a LOT of patience with these.

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IMO, in order of rarity:

1. 1966 4006-7000 "Diashock" w/dolphin caseback
2. 1967 4006-7019 21J US export model
3. 1967 4006-7000 "Diashock"
4. 1968 4006-7029 21J US export model
5. 1967 4006-7010 "Business Bell"
6. 1968/69 4005-7000 "Date Only"

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Hermann
Agree, and the 4005-7000 to be the nicest belle ever made imo.
 

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Is the 7010 and 7011 the same watch but different markets? Also I see some that sold in the $200 USD range but there is a $900+ dollar one on ebay right now. It is a "proof" version so I am assuming that is where the high price comes in?
For a beautiful Bell-Matic it is hard to ignore the 27j 4006-7011.
Here's mine I am wearing today:

 

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Is the 7010 and 7011 the same watch but different markets? Also I see some that sold in the $200 USD range but there is a $900+ dollar one on ebay right now. It is a "proof" version so I am assuming that is where the high price comes in?
The 7011 is the successor of the 7010, followed by the 7012. Only one -701 version was produced where the last digit in the case number denotes a regional code - the highly rare 7019 for the North American/US market.

While for some watches (6105, 6139-6000, etc.) a "Proof" signature will sometimes dramatically increase the value, I cannot see this happening with the 4006-701. This Bell-Matic case variant was introduced in March 1967 and carried the "Proof" signature on the caseback right until end of production end of 1969. It was then replaced with the "Resistant"-signed 7011 at the beginning of 1970. In other words - significant numbers produced.

The 900 -701 auction currently on eBay is an artefact of bidding war IMO and not significant. I do however note a general and dramatic increase in -701 prices (compared to other Bell-Matic models), the average selling price on eBay has increased dramatically compared to 2013.

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I don't often see a bell come up for sale that is in Japan on ebay, but the ones I noticed went for considerably more than I was expecting. Do you think this contributes to why that 7011 is going for over $900? I wondered if the Japanese were begining to value bellmatics more.
 

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Is the 7010 and 7011 the same watch but different markets? Also I see some that sold in the $200 USD range but there is a $900+ dollar one on ebay right now. It is a "proof" version so I am assuming that is where the high price comes in?
Most Seiko watched prior to 1970 were "Proof" the change to "Resist" came in late in the year 1970. "Proof" alone won't make a watch valuable, that is down to rarity and desirability.

I am quite sure most (if not all) 6105-800x are Proof Proof. and most (but not all) 6105-811x are Resist Resist. So I would expect a Proof Proof 6105-811x to command a premium over a Resist Resist version. Equally I would expect a Resist Resist 6105-800x (if one exists) to command a premium over a Proof Proof version.
 

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IMO, in order of rarity:

1. 1966 4006-7000 "Diashock" w/dolphin caseback
2. 1967 4006-7019 21J US export model
3. 1967 4006-7000 "Diashock"
4. 1968 4006-7029 21J US export model
5. 1967 4006-7010 "Business Bell"
6. 1968/69 4005-7000 "Date Only"

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Hermann
.... soon, my friend, I think you'll change your list (fundamental for me) .... I have a big surprise

..... as soon as I find the time to do two or more beautiful photos
 

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I don't often see a bell come up for sale that is in Japan on ebay, but the ones I noticed went for considerably more than I was expecting. Do you think this contributes to why that 7011 is going for over $900? I wondered if the Japanese were begining to value bellmatics more.
Agreed, the Bell-Matics were mostly destined for export. However, they do come up for sale on Yahoo.jp regularily and while selling for considerable prices, they are cheaper than on eBay there.
On another note, I do not think that lots of people from Japan would buy on eBay due to the language barrier. The Japanese folk selling on eBay become more and more frequent, probably because they have learned that more money is to be made that way compared to Yahoo.jp. I am quite sure that almost all of these auctions go to O/S recipients.

@ Mauro: oh, come on! Don't keep us waiting! What did you find?

The list above is certainly not a 100% complete and does not include all more "subtle" variants, such as the blue dialed -7002, the -6039, the early 27J 6000 and 6020 variants - and the Arabic dial Bell-matic. I do however still think that the watches in the list are the most sought-after pieces.

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Sad to find out my 4006-7021 did not make the top five list. Oh well, but I think it's a good looking one.
Very nice watch indeed and also not too common!

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