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Hi and greetings from sunny Johannesburg, South Africa.
As we know there is no atomic timekeeping out here, so for Citizen lovers like myself the Citizen's new Satellite Wave becomes quite an interesting timepiece.

I own quite a few Citizens and have always admired their Eco-drive and most of their movements - specifically the perpetual calendar movements. When the Satellite wave was announced I knew I just had to have one. I was even willing to pay twice the US price for it (the recommended retail price in South Africa was twice that of the US), but my first problem was actually getting my hands on it.
I got VERY lucky and after around 63 emails to distributors all over the world finally found a jeweller in Canada that was willing and able to promise and sell me one - at half the SA price.

Then it finally arrived! No 171 of 990 - and it is absolutely beautiful. It is quite a big watch at 48mm without its crown but not too big even for my smaller than average wrist size. The design and colours are awesome - it really does look like a spaceship - the ceramic case having landed on a landing pad as the case is separate to the lugs and cradle for the case.
The movement is impressive - simple and easy to use yet sophisticated. Sadly this is where the similarities to a spaceship come to an end.

Those of us with Citizen watches know and love their distinctive blue lume. The spaceship designers over at Citizen however somehow forgot to add a lume to the Wave ! WTF ?!? A 4000USD Citizen and no lume, you walk through a dark passage in your house and you cant tell the time ! What were they thinking?
If this was meant to be a spaceship design I'd have expected something outworldly especially when it comes to the lume - so many options here - they could have lume'd the green coils that run all around the inside of the case in any colour they wanted - maybe even blue. They then could have lume'd the markers and hands any other colour they chose. Even some green hands and maybe and some orange or purple markers - the possibilities are endless here to further enhance the spaceship feel they were going for.
This watch is supposed to look like a spaceship so they could have gone mad here but somehow forgot to think of it?
A SERIOUS design flaw here in my opinion. So much so that 2 days after I received the watch I have taken it to Citizen to get lume'd (which they now tell me they cant do) ! Again - WTF ?!?

The movement is quite brilliant - showing the day of week as well as summer/winter time in any city chosen. Here also, the watch needs to be told which city's time to display - it doesn't read location information from the GPS satellites, only a simple time-signal but not even daylight savings time for the specific location you chose. Spaceship my ass!
In their Appleseed Anime video there is a scene were the 2 main characters ride a bike across a long bridge. Their watches adjust the time an hour back as they drive across the bridge - as if they had just crossed a line of longitude. Why can't this watch do the same in real life? Why can it not read your GPS location and when you get close to a line of longitude, read the GPS position more frequently so that when the longitude is crossed the watch adjusts the time automatically. Another FAIL.
Imagine the coolness factor of getting in a plane and when you step out a few time-zones from your initial location the watch automatically adjusts time/date/am-pm and day as needed - you would have thought the Wave would do this. Nope - you have to tell it which city's time you'd like it to display at your new location - and you have to further tell it if it should take daylight savings into account. Like I would know when flying from Joburg to some American state a) which city's time to choose nor b) if the Americans are at that point taking daylight savings into account. Aarrghh.

The next issue I have is the waterproof rating on this watch. I have on my arm a 200USD Citizen that is 200m waterproof.
Not that I'd ever dive anywhere near that (draw the line at snorkelling!) but at least I know that should I go water-skiing or river-rafting my watch will not end up water damaged. My spaceship? Can't take it in the pool never mind do water-sports. It only has a rating of 50m! Yes people, you read right - fifty meters!
Spaceships endure the vacuum of space, my spaceship might survive a header into the pool when I have to save my dog from drowning - then again it might not! 4000US and I cant take it down a super-tube at a water-amusement park. FAIL!

The watch did come in a great looking case with see-through perspex lid. Little cards and limited-edition certificates accompanied it.
The rubber strap on the watch needs to be cut to size - not ideal. There is no spare strap nor a black bracelet nor any other extras, all in all a little disappointing. Citizen could have gone one little baby-step further here and made owners a lot happier. A black PVD coated stainless bracelet as an alternative to the rubber would have been a really nice touch. The lume and waterproofing should have been thought out properly and not done in the half-arsed amateur way that it was. They even could have added a little LED light if not lume the face, e.g. push both buttons and a green LED illuminates the face of the watch - anything here really.

All in all, am I happy with my watch? Yes. Could I have been happier? Hell yes!
 

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Lemme add some photo's directly here so noone has to actually go and find them on the other link;
 

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I have finally decided to keep it :)
Was going to try sell it until X-Mas and then only wear it if unsold but changed my mind over the weekend.
I cut the original strap to length and am wearing it now.
The rubber strap is awesome, very comfortable and looks really great I think !
 

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very interesting "quirky" design, it's unfortunate about the lume though.. it's practically standard on every wristwatch so I do find it a bit surprising they would omit that detail.
 

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update on this; Citizen in Joburg is still not able to get back to me regarding the lume'd hands replacements - so still no lume.
guess i'll try the same in Switzerland/UK and see if I can get it 'fixed' there when I am out there - hope they bring out a new version ASAP maybe in blue to match their usual blue lume..
 

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I'd be careful...once you lume those hands, the color won't match the case inlays or the color in the strap or the dial highlights. Just keep that in mind as the matching color theme is one of the major design elements of the watch.
 

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Really a fine piece of information. The charm of these designer watches are really irresistible. Will be really indebted if more such valuable information is provided. If it suits with the personality, that is the best thing that can happen.
 

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petew said:
I'd be careful...once you lume those hands, the color won't match the case inlays or the color in the strap or the dial highlights. Just keep that in mind as the matching color theme is one of the major design elements of the watch.
I wish they'd had made it light blue all over to match their signature blue lume ;p
Also there are Citizen with green lume - I'd have hoped they'd spend some time to match lume colour to watch colour - lets hope in the next rendition !
@petew; I agree with you regarding the matching of colour - don't want to end up with mismatched colours really and I probably won't be able to get it lumed easily anyways :( woulda been awesome had the coils been luminous as well as markers and hands though..
 

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hi all

any news/rumours around when this watch goes mainstream ? am still waiting on a new version with lume, 200m resistence and an easier synch..
any citizen reps out there with some info on new range using this tech but done properly ?

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Citizen Satellite Wave Air, mainstream and cheaper, with lume me thinks and waterproof out soon..
Now to see one in the flesh!
 

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I'm simply curious... the watch has a LOT of issues that bother you, and understandably... especially given the price, but did you not do any research and did you not know about these issues before you bought it? If so, I would have thought from reading your account that you might not (probably not?) have done so? Anyway, thanks for the report. I agree, in that the technology, from your description, doesn't really seem ready for "prime time" just yet.
 
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