Oh so you're the one hoarding all them goldies. No wonder I can't seem to find one now. lol. (kidding)Spencer said:Yup - I guess that the wider knowledge about him and his -6005 has pushed up values of the gold-faced Pepsi chronos... even the non-Resist ones. But I am now constantly on the lookout for a gold-faced "Resist", even though I have four later ones...
I don't see catalogs as a last-word bible of what existed and what didn't. There are THOUSANDS of Seiko models that we have not seen in our very limited number of consumer retail brochures, and they are most certainly legit models. The blue/black inner bezel coupled with the yellow dial could have been a regional variation, only manufactured for certain years, etc...it is just hard to tell. I only need to see this bezel/dial combo on a dozen or so original, otherwise unmolested watches to convince me that it is a factory combination. I have seen several (and own one), but I am still on the fence. ---AAxel66 said:Do you mean originals?
Is there any ad or catalogue picture, that can support this thesis?
I agree that parts swapping can be an issue in these or any other watches. But if I find a watch on Ebay or elsewhere that is from an estate and appears to be OTHERWISE UNMOLESETED, then there is no real reason to believe that it has had any work done to it. I am not talking about the Philippine/Thai puppy mill Seiko sellers who are obviously selling reworked watches. I am talking about watches from the US, Canada, Australia, the UK, etc, that are likely one owner watches from estate or garage sales.Axel66 said:I agree that, catalogues normally only can give a positive confirmation, but the problem is, that a lot of the chronos are not mint the yellow/gold and silver dialed versions have always be rarer or at least more sought afterthan the balck or blue ones, hence very often, if someone had a black one with a good case and a rocked down yellow/gold one, he could simply swap the case-assemblies.
I have a silver one with the black turning ring. For me it's odd. The only ones that really looked mint and not overhauled I saw had the grey ring with the silver dial and the yellow ring with the gold dial.
Yes, maybe I haven't seen all market variations, but sorry, particularly on the golden one the black turning looks so odd - why shoud Seiko have done that. Regarding the silver dial you could argue, that Seiko has used this theme bright dial / dark chapter ring in other models, but with the golden/yellow ones?
O.k., if you're convinced that they were original variations like that, that's more than o.k. and considering your experience, your probably right.
However I for myself consider them as non original unless I saw a proof.
No problem to agree on that one, as I'm not convinced that it wasn't, I just have a feelling...Cobrajet25 said:...
As I said, I am not yet convinced that the yellow dial/black ring chrono was a factory variation. I am just not as convinced as you are that it WASN'T. ;D ---A
I thought this was a great question myself and have forwarded it to Colonel Pogue. I look forward to his reply on the subject since it brought up much discussion on a review I did a while back.Cobrajet25 said:Great read. One thing I wish somebody would ask him is if the inner bezel on his watch was originally yellow, or came white. I suspect it is just faded to white, but this would answer that age-old Seiko question once and for all.