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6139-6000 Japan Speedtimer -6000T AD dial - one of the earliest 6139 - Mar1969; it might be The Earliest 6139 still exists
6139-6032 Japan Speedtimer -6050T dial
6139-6032 special 6032 dial -6070T dial (pls note the black day-date frame + silvery subdial) because I never saw a 6032 without "speedtimer". The seller was from Israel, maybe Mid-East version ? :)
 

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Nice set of 6139's!

I'm under the impression that you'll find the 6032 without the speedtimer and Sports 5 on the dial has had the dial replaced with a 6139-601X dial rather then it being something out of the ordinary.

A close up of the dial code should clarify it.
 

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It is nice to get more experts in verifying the authenticity of this dial cos I really had not seen it B4 (I have bought this watch for over 10 years)

The diff. between this 6032 & a 6011 with a silvery subdial are marked in red . Pls note the taller index in 601x dial & the minute small markings in this 6032, in line with the others 6032's minute small markings pattern - see the 1st post for comparison.

In addition, The small letters at the bottom of the dial says " Japan 6139" "-6070T", the caseback is marked "6139-6032" "245526" & I get nothing from goggling "Seiko 6139-6032 6070 dial" except a post by myself here on 9 Dec 2008 - any input is welcomed.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/thread/1228880981/My+6139-6032++++6070+dial
 

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For starters, No 6139-6031 or 6032 that I'm aware of ever came with white second hands or white sub dial hands.

Two examples I have, a 6139-6031 + 6032, the dial codes are 6050T

Your dial code of 6070T poses an interesting question: What model is it from?

I'm sure time will tell. Somebody here should know.
 

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Question: ANY 6139 dial other than 6132/6131 offers this type of minute track ? :)

No 6032 with white hands statement cannot validate without first proofing the non- existence of this dial. That comes back with my question in front.

P.S. since it is a chrono with a single subdial , it MUST be a 6139. Your Q can be re-phrased as what 6139 sub-model is it being "transferred" from? That also comes back to my question in front. I knew you are the expert in 6139 & I did learnt a lot from your posts, but you don't have it does not mean it does not exist or is not something out of the ordinary; without Proofing it.

Now, you have seen a 6139-6132 without SpeedTimer [& with white hands- anyway, the white hands might be replacement or it might be original - I am not sure about that but that won't affect much the authenticity of the watch cos unlike 6139-6000 with a riveted centre second hand, I can change the hands of this 6132 to yellow hands anytime] & with a 6070T dial.
 

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Thanks for sharing your great collection, Geeboo.

AFAIK, the earliest 6139 is Jan 1969.

I think the non-Speed-Timer 6139-6032 dial is original. But the chrono hands should be orange, or they faded away to white?

Anyway, congrats for those beautiful trio. Enjoy!
 

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Question: ANY 6139 dial other than 6132/6131 offers this type of minute track ? :)

6139-8002


btw: It's not up to me to prove anything. Nor am I trying to prove anything.

I've just offered help that you initially asked for.
 

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Pls note
1) the length of the index
2) position of the subdial & the minute mark at 6 o'clock position
3) The color of second track marking in 6139-8002

Pls be more ACCURATE in your quoted "help", expert.

I am tied, let's stop at that. If you think it is a fake, it is a fake, let the evidences speak for themselves.
 

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I don't know if your dial is original to the watch or not. I don't believe the hands are. MANY a thread like this have popped up in rolex forums where by something out of the ordinary has come up and it brings up a motto that a well respected rolex/pam guy taught me a long time ago. "never (in the vintage rolex realm anyway where the $ amount can hurt) buy a watch you have to defend." =)
 

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drat, it looks like I will have to be on the hunt for one more speedtimer variation 603x.

Stefan's sold watch has red hands, but no speedtimer on the dial. the lume on that sure looks "different" than that of the hands which can suggest a dial swap. I'd sure like to see a catalog pic of this variation.

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Tks. "the earliest 6139 is Jan 1969." Any text/ photo reference ?
I'll let you know when I have the pic. :)

drat, it looks like I will have to be on the hunt for one more speedtimer variation 603x.

Stefan's sold watch has red hands, but no speedtimer on the dial. the lume on that sure looks "different" than that of the hands which can suggest a dial swap. I'd sure like to see a catalog pic of this variation.

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Hi, Larry,

There's an old french SEIKO ad showing this 6139-6032 non-Speedtimer variant. So I believe geeboo's 6032 dial is original but I am not sure about the chrono hands.

Looks like we are on perpetual hunt when it comes to vintage SEIKO. :grin:
 

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