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08-15-2019 04:01 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongBike View Post
Hi Doby,

Doby ,
You mentioned to ...... the shovel that this one is a Junker but before you determine all this I would not chance damaging it any more ...... just to try repairing it.

Who knows it might be repairable yet and if messed up then it will be .... Junk.
When I first approach one of these I got mine from.....Ramon and it was a disaster to look at.
If you are determined to do it I would suggest a .... Junker to do all this like you saying they are quite expensive now right.
Experience is great but ......This One ....might be worth fixing the right way and it might work again. I myself have made a ......
Few Different Tools ...... just to work on them and be safe.

I mean I am not a ........ PRO for these but I do have well over ....
50- + ...... of these and I did say .... over ....50- + and all work yet.
Louis
Hi Louis,

As I have two Aqualands I think a first step is to swap PCBs and see if the depth meter starts working. If it does, perhaps I can find a bad trace or component and fix it. If the analog section is not working because the quartz is not giving a pulse I guess a board swap would tell. I will wait for the hand remover and setters arrive though as I don't want to risk messing up the hands.

Doby
08-15-2019 03:38 PM
LongBike Hi Doby,

Doby ,
You mentioned to ...... the shovel that this one is a Junker but before you determine all this I would not chance damaging it any more ...... just to try repairing it.

Who knows it might be repairable yet and if messed up then it will be .... Junk.
When I first approach one of these I got mine from.....Ramon and it was a disaster to look at.
If you are determined to do it I would suggest a .... Junker to do all this like you saying they are quite expensive now right.
Experience is great but ......This One ....might be worth fixing the right way and it might work again. I myself have made a ......
Few Different Tools ...... just to work on them and be safe.

I mean I am not a ........ PRO for these but I do have well over ....
50- + ...... of these and I did say .... over ....50- + and all work yet.

Got these from a good friend in California last month.
The two on the Left all they needed was a good service.
The two on the Right needed New Boards and but they are for a friend.
Louis
08-15-2019 06:53 AM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_shovel View Post
Nice to see another aqualand thread! Hi everybody, I've been MIA for a while...
Doby, I would recommend buying a junker aqualand that is already not working and tear into that...take it apart and put it back together a couple times, you will learn stuff that can't be communicated here. Then go after the one you think has a chance to be brought back to life.


Education isn't free, so I think to spend the money (maybe <$75) on a broken aqualand is well worth it. That is how I started, on junkers.


I've spoken with Louis many times about these and we try to help each other out. I know Louis has gone through many of these watches, and I've saved a few myself. I think Neilo posted an aqualand with its pants down - one of the first posts I saw of one torn down.


I think the biggest challenges on these are putting the rotor back in and then closing the train bridge over it without damage. Those tiny plastic pins are fragile as Louis mentioned, and the four gold sensor springs will fall out and bounce away if you aren't careful. But it is fun when you are successful.
Excellent idea Shovel,

I will keep looking for one but right now even a for parts Aqualand is USD 200 plus import costs on ebay. Ironically it has the same fault as mine but the depth sensor is working so I might as well regard mine as the experimental junk watch to learn on

Doby
08-14-2019 09:57 PM
the_shovel Nice to see another aqualand thread! Hi everybody, I've been MIA for a while...
Doby, I would recommend buying a junker aqualand that is already not working and tear into that...take it apart and put it back together a couple times, you will learn stuff that can't be communicated here. Then go after the one you think has a chance to be brought back to life.


Education isn't free, so I think to spend the money (maybe <$75) on a broken aqualand is well worth it. That is how I started, on junkers.


I've spoken with Louis many times about these and we try to help each other out. I know Louis has gone through many of these watches, and I've saved a few myself. I think Neilo posted an aqualand with its pants down - one of the first posts I saw of one torn down.


I think the biggest challenges on these are putting the rotor back in and then closing the train bridge over it without damage. Those tiny plastic pins are fragile as Louis mentioned, and the four gold sensor springs will fall out and bounce away if you aren't careful. But it is fun when you are successful.
08-14-2019 12:41 AM
TheNeilo1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doby View Post
Thanks for your advice Neilo1!

Doby
Just saying what most of us are probably thinking😜👍⌚️
08-13-2019 11:23 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongBike View Post
Hi Doby,

Doby,
I sent you a P.M. so reply back if you want to about your Aqualand.

I think Neilo's reply would be better for you to follow and a lot safer for your need.
I'll help you out on checking it to see what is wrong on it.
Louis
I appreciate it Louis.

Doby
08-13-2019 11:22 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNeilo1 View Post
Why don’t you just send Louis your watch!!
Trying to do this all by messages ain’t going to get you where you need to be?
Do you want the watch Done or Done properly?
Me and Louis have collected these for years and it’s a watch that needs proper attention to be done right!!
Thanks for your advice Neilo1!

Doby
08-13-2019 10:12 PM
LongBike Hi Doby,

Doby,
I sent you a P.M. so reply back if you want to about your Aqualand.

I think Neilo's reply would be better for you to follow and a lot safer for your need.
I'll help you out on checking it to see what is wrong on it.
Louis
08-13-2019 08:50 PM
TheNeilo1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doby View Post
Thanks for your reply Louis,
As I thought I must take the hands off to get to the PCB behind the dial I have put the watch together again to not get dust into the gearing.
No I have zero experience taking watches apart other than replacing batteries and pressure testing. I fully understand the importance of getting advice from you guys before proceeding. Thinking ahead I have ordered seal kits, good quality screw drivers and the hand removal and setting tools.
I have an ultrasonic cleaner which I guess could be used to clean the gearing.
While waiting for the tools to arrive I try to learn as much as possible.
I enjoy fixing things and my motto is nothing is beyond repair

Doby
Why don’t you just send Louis your watch!!
Trying to do this all by messages ain’t going to get you where you need to be?
Do you want the watch Done or Done properly?
Me and Louis have collected these for years and it’s a watch that needs proper attention to be done right!!
08-13-2019 08:44 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongBike View Post
Hi Doby
Doby the center is the gearing area.
The whole piece is the Movement housing .....OK.

If you have taken out the Big outside section them the Movement Housing is what you
have there in the picture.
The Big Plastic Section contains the .....PCB Board for the watch. In order to get into it
you have t remove the ...Metal Plate with those little screws first. But do not place
any thing into it because you can damage the .....PCB Board, just use your finger nail for now
to lift evenly.
The Metal plate has to be removed first.....then the Movement has to be ...... Split to get to
the ...Board.
_____________________________
Note :
But for now do not touch the ...Center section like .....lewie has mentioned if you do not know
what you are doing yet.
There is no problem with asking advice or information about any thing that is how one learns
to do things. But .... Ask First before Doing things.
_____________________________

Question :
Do you have repairing experiences for watch's ....??
If not be careful with what you are doing please keep asking questions and it will be just fine.
Louis
Thanks for your reply Louis,
As I thought I must take the hands off to get to the PCB behind the dial I have put the watch together again to not get dust into the gearing.
No I have zero experience taking watches apart other than replacing batteries and pressure testing. I fully understand the importance of getting advice from you guys before proceeding. Thinking ahead I have ordered seal kits, good quality screw drivers and the hand removal and setting tools.
I have an ultrasonic cleaner which I guess could be used to clean the gearing.
While waiting for the tools to arrive I try to learn as much as possible.
I enjoy fixing things and my motto is nothing is beyond repair

Doby
08-13-2019 02:31 PM
LongBike Hi Doby
Doby the center is the gearing area.
The whole piece is the Movement housing .....OK.

If you have taken out the Big outside section them the Movement Housing is what you
have there in the picture.
The Big Plastic Section contains the .....PCB Board for the watch. In order to get into it
you have t remove the ...Metal Plate with those little screws first. But do not place
any thing into it because you can damage the .....PCB Board, just use your finger nail for now
to lift evenly.
The Metal plate has to be removed first.....then the Movement has to be ...... Split to get to
the ...Board.
_____________________________
Note :
But for now do not touch the ...Center section like .....lewie has mentioned if you do not know
what you are doing yet.
There is no problem with asking advice or information about any thing that is how one learns
to do things. But .... Ask First before Doing things.
_____________________________

Question :
Do you have repairing experiences for watch's ....??
If not be careful with what you are doing please keep asking questions and it will be just fine.
Louis
08-13-2019 06:17 AM
Doby Thanks Lewie! So what do you call the stuff in the red area? Gearing? Gearbox?
08-13-2019 03:07 AM
lewie Don’t remove the screws inside the red
08-12-2019 05:40 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongBike View Post

Now the ......Movement is exposed.

Remove all the Screws on the Metal Plate that is on the movement.
________________________________________
Now Important to do it Split the ....Two Movement Halves carefully.
Side by Side movements till it comes apart.
_____________________________________

Louis
Louis, Where you write "movement" do you mean the whole thing inside the green border or do you mean the mid section inside the red border?

Doby
08-12-2019 05:23 PM
7s26b I think the end numbers are different dependant on reading feet or metres.
08-12-2019 05:07 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7s26b View Post
C02* instruction manual https://thewatchsite.com/files/Citiz...nuals/C021.pdf Theres also a Citizen "Quartz basic technical manual" in the user manual / technical manual section. Hope it helps.
Thanks! Even though this manual does not mention C022 nor C028 it seems reasonable to assume they all operate the same and that the last digit in the model numbers are just denoting accuracy of the pressure sensor or perhaps finish.

It also clearly state that as a safety feature the depth meter display is not accessible when an error with the pressure sensor is detected.

Doby
08-12-2019 10:48 AM
lewie Could try checking the analogu pulse with a compass
08-12-2019 09:13 AM
7s26b C02* instruction manual https://thewatchsite.com/files/Citize...nuals/C021.pdf Theres also a Citizen "Quartz basic technical manual" in the user manual / technical manual section. Hope it helps.
08-12-2019 03:45 AM
Doby Knownothing, Thanks! Very good info!

Louis, Excellent and very clear instructions. Thanks!

I will order the hand puller. Unfortunately it will take 2 weeks to get here and I was just getting excited about proceeding&#x1f610;. Patience, patience and all that...&#x263a;&#xfe0f;.

Hey I am over 5 posts so here are some pictures just showing that this watch is in quite good shape for being from 1984.

Doby
08-12-2019 02:32 AM
LongBike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doby View Post
Louis,
I have still not got to the PCB since I don't have a tool to pull the hands. If try to pull them with fingers should I pull one at a time or all 3 in the same time?
Or better order the tools ......?

Doby
Hi Doby ,
OK Please Pay close attention if don't know what to do.
OK as you mentioned .......If you can get these Tools you will benefit more and not damage
any parts.

First of all the movement comes out through the back.......Not The Front
If the Crystal is OK and does not need changing ............>>> Leave it alone for now.

Well first you need to remove the Case Back of the Case.

Now the ......Movement is exposed.

Remove all the Screws on the Metal Plate that is on the movement.
________________________________________
Now Important to do it Split the ....Two Movement Halves carefully.
Side by Side movements till it comes apart.
_____________________________________
If you know what to do with this movement you can proceed to take it all apart ......
BUT If Not ......wait till you get answers about how to d it because it is very have to Know about it.
_______________________________________
Splitting the Movement :
Gently with out damaging the Movement sides pry and lift with a no marring so you can get it out of the case.

Now place it into the .... Movement Holder facing up so the hands can be seen.
Well you could try doing that one at a time using a ... Clear Plastic Film
Cut so you can get it to go underneath close to the the Hands like in
the picture.

But I would highly recommend the right tools.
NOTE :
The Picture shows you just what to do and need to get the hands off.

Now with being very careful you could lift the .... hands out all at once or ... One at a time.
Do Not Bend Them At All ..... .

After you do all that look at the edge around the ....Dial to see how to lift the ...... Dial Off .......
side by side with ........ Notches to be done.
_____________________________________
Keep the Hands / Dial in a safe container.
____________________________________
Under the Dial is a Loose Plate .......lift it off gently.

Now hands Off remove the Hands Holder Gear and .... watch for a thin Copper Shim on it.

OK :
If you follow the pictures you can do it but carefully.

If not just yet .......Wait and ask more questions.

Louis
08-11-2019 06:31 PM
knownothing Two batteries are connected in series (3V) and the third by itself. They all share common ground.
The 3V is for digital and 1.5V for analogue movement.
To diagnose the analogue movement I normally use a quartz tester. If you can detect the 1sec pulse but the hands are not moving then as suggested it's movement clean and oil.
08-11-2019 04:01 PM
Doby Louis,
I have still not got to the PCB since I don't have a tool to pull the hands. If try to pull them with fingers should I pull one at a time or all 3 in the same time? Or better order a tool?

Doby
08-11-2019 03:41 PM
Doby Pulling the crown out did not change anything. I measured resistance of all three battery holders between + and - and it is nearly identical the resistance of my working C028. I belive that means at least that the 3rd battery is in fact making contact with the pad on the board.

I also noticed that I can now set my working C028 in active dive mode without the 3rd battery and it also works with the crown out all the way.
The only thing that does not work using only 2 batteries is the movement.

Here is a new thought; perhaps there is a slight difference between C022 and C028 and if there is I might assume active dive mode does not work. Any of you guys with access to a functioning C022 might help.

On the C028 after pressing the dive mode pusher for 2 seconds I get last logged depth steady and letters "D" and "M". After pressing the top left pusher I get flashing "0 m" and the letter "D" indicating it is my current depth and that I am in active dive mode.

On the C022 after pressing the dive mode pusher for 2 seconds I get last logged depth steady and letters "D" and "M". After pressing the top left pusher nothing happens. Is this the same for a known working C022?
The top left pusher works fine as in time mode there is no problems setting time and date.

Doby
08-11-2019 03:23 PM
LongBike Aloha Doby

When you start to did assemble the ...Movement area be careful with
the stripping of the Gearing.
This will be in sight after you remove the .....PCB Board.
Pictures can be clicked and Double Click to enlarge.

Be careful with those ....Little Plastic Pins .they are very weak and can break.
08-11-2019 01:10 PM
Doby
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
If you pulled the crown out to the second click and ‘stopped ‘ the analog movement would this help with your power drain diagnosis?
Brilliant idea! Will try that.

Cheers,

Doby
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