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08-19-2019 11:12 AM
borgsauce
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Originally Posted by A320 View Post
Is there an image showing the bottom of the bezel which sits close to the watch case. I've seen similar aftermarket bezels but they lack the small grooves as shown in the picture below.

Attachment 420135
I take back what I said[emoji115] Guy has proven me wrong. And no unfortanely I can't see sellers pics showing the underside.
08-19-2019 10:32 AM
bardamu
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Originally Posted by A320 View Post
Is there an image showing the bottom of the bezel which sits close to the watch case. I've seen similar aftermarket bezels but they lack the small grooves as shown in the picture below.

Attachment 420135
Thanks a lot, I didn't know that.
You never stop to learn
08-15-2019 09:26 PM
A320
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Originally Posted by borgsauce View Post
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Originally Posted by zul stapak View Post
Aftermarket bezel
I double checked and I think you're right[emoji20] these are pics from ebay AM bezel. Seems to match.
Is there an image showing the bottom of the bezel which sits close to the watch case. I've seen similar aftermarket bezels but they lack the small grooves as shown in the picture below.

Attachment 420135
08-15-2019 08:48 PM
GuyJ
08-15-2019 07:57 PM
borgsauce
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Originally Posted by zul stapak View Post
Aftermarket bezel
I double checked and I think you're right[emoji20] these are pics from ebay AM bezel. Seems to match.
08-15-2019 11:01 AM
Reynaldo
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Originally Posted by DAHASCO View Post
Imagine this: How many lines in the factory produce Rotating Rings ? Are the Machines producing the rings all set the exact same ? Do you really think they were all made at once ? Or Twice ? The watch is original and that is that Saki on Friday is better than Saki on Monday...


My thoughts as well Dave.


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08-15-2019 10:09 AM
DanFromNewYork Cool watch!
08-14-2019 07:28 AM
zul stapak Aftermarket bezel
08-13-2019 10:23 PM
borgsauce I think what we can gather from all this bezel discussion is that the OP has a special and early production 6309 with an uncommon and lesser known bezel. This alone would make it worth holding on to.

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08-13-2019 08:47 PM
DAHASCO Imagine this: How many lines in the factory produce Rotating Rings ? Are the Machines producing the rings all set the exact same ? Do you really think they were all made at once ? Or Twice ? The watch is original and that is that Saki on Friday is better than Saki on Monday...
08-13-2019 08:37 PM
Reynaldo
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I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.
Ive always been intrigued by the variations on the machining of the bezels, Ive noticed more than a few different ones but cant say anything specific to that early time period. Same for the 7548s which happen to interchange.
08-13-2019 07:31 PM
DAHASCO Blah, Blah, Blah...The OP's Watch is 100% Seiko factory issued. No replacement parts. Just a wonderful example of Seiko's Best of There Best.
08-13-2019 07:19 PM
seikozen
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Being new to this reference and never seen one in the flesh I found it difficult to determine from looking at pictures whether the hands are flat or not.

It may sound strange but it gave me some comfort to see the the corroded hands as the chance they were original/OEM improved.

This means there would have been some intrusion of moisture/water into the case. The dial seems to have survived and is in very good condition but not sure how the movement has fared.

Will leave everything as is but will send off for a full service.
HI Just for Thoughts. I have had and still do have 6309-70x with hands that are starting to show some Blackness Yet the Dial and Movements are Pristine No Sign of Water Intrusion at all. Also how many times do we see Hands that are White and Indices that have Creamy patena and Known to be OEM One Owner watches? The Point is I have read many times that the Lume on the hands May be different than the Lume used on the Dial.? I think its Important to understand That as much as we would like SEIKO to be 100% Factual and Precise That has not been the case. I have had 6309s with 6306 bezels and LOOK 100% OEM Same with Crowns. It may be more so with earlier 1976 to 1979 that being that 6309s and 6306s were issued at same time. Tens of Thousands made each year How??? unlikely would it be that a Crown or bezel was used by Mistake?? Can we really be all that SURE?
08-13-2019 09:43 AM
GuyJ Yeh agreed but we know the crown is incorrect for the date aswell so, bezel likely a replacement later on, too. I thought it was about the authenticity of it. Despite my doubts in the thread I linked I'm of the opinion they are correct...but I mean...if it is fake...well ...
08-13-2019 09:07 AM
DonJ53 Not 100% true but if I see a bezel with non or few marks and a case with obvious marks (History) I assume it's new to the case. I can't see how a bezel cannot get knocked when the case does.
08-13-2019 08:44 AM
GuyJ I've had about 30 of these over the years including 3 NOS bezels, one of which was the subject discussed here and one or two 6309s have matched this.

Some more pics.





But believe what you want. For me it's a later production with genuine insert and ring that likely was produced at the time of the 7002 or later, the 7002 ring doesn't fit the 6309/6 afaik....

Vange I'd be happy with the watch and with the large spline crown it'll finish it off nicely. I would say that ring is a later replacement, so not strictly accurate in that sense, however it wouldn't bother me after owning the spare as pictured and handling a few with the same machining.
08-13-2019 07:12 AM
DonJ53 All my 704#'s bar one, which has a 6105 bezel, have the left version where the undercut cuts fully through the circumferential slots.
08-13-2019 06:33 AM
GuyJ ^^ I may be wrong but that's my understanding!
08-12-2019 11:16 PM
A320
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Originally Posted by GuyJ View Post
I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.
Thanks for the information Guy.
08-12-2019 10:41 PM
GuyJ I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.
08-12-2019 10:24 PM
A320
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Originally Posted by borgsauce View Post
Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.

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Well spotted. I've got the side by side comparison below. I remember reading a post on this. Will go back and find it.

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08-12-2019 09:22 PM
Katgirl Very nice. Congrats. Hands appear to be original, based on their condition..


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08-12-2019 09:07 PM
A320
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For some the hands being OEM is reason to keep them as is. For others having OEM nice hands Supersedes having the Hands be OEM to the watch.
Being new to this reference and never seen one in the flesh I found it difficult to determine from looking at pictures whether the hands are flat or not.

It may sound strange but it gave me some comfort to see the the corroded hands as the chance they were original/OEM improved.

This means there would have been some intrusion of moisture/water into the case. The dial seems to have survived and is in very good condition but not sure how the movement has fared.

Will leave everything as is but will send off for a full service.
08-12-2019 09:06 PM
borgsauce Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.

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08-12-2019 06:41 PM
A320
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Nice tortoise, how/where did you find it?
Thanks for everyone's comments.

This one came up on a local buy and sell forum by a pawn broker.

Everything seemed to check out from the couple of pictures provided so I quickly made an offer and it was wrapped up and on it's way to me within the hour!
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