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10-25-2019 10:42 AM
falke01 Iīm searching since a few monts ago for one with the white face....
09-30-2019 08:12 PM
RussMurray Excellent write up, thanks so much for sharing!
09-30-2019 07:16 PM
Grammarofdesign Calipers don't lie

Sept. 1971 Resist blue dial with NOS genuine OEM bezel and proper bracelet with wrong end links off a BellMatic or 7005 or such.
09-30-2019 05:23 PM
NevRo Could someone confirm the lug width of the 8052? It's posted in this thread as 18mm but I have also heard it's 19mm. Confirmation would be greatly appreciated. I don't have the watch on hand to check myself.

Thanks, Steve


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12-08-2018 03:05 AM
Digitalone
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterrizzo View Post
ok, so i answered my own question, i pushed it out from behind, i'm used to doing that with my thumbnail, but i used a good blunt slot head screwdriver,

and managed to be gentle enough not to deform the original bezel. the new

one pushed right in, but i am going to use bezel insert adhesive when that

watch is ready to wear...all i need now is to get the bezel spring to work.

that is a really annoying job, i am waiting for bright sunlight....


I'll have to try that.


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12-08-2018 02:13 AM
Seiko Hoarder I picked up a white one.

12-08-2018 12:54 AM
raudoraf
Quote:
Originally Posted by tritto View Post
The bracket itself is shared across a variety of low value dress 7005/6s and at least in 6308 that my neighbour asked me to look at. What's tricky is the end links. I'm not aware of another watch that uses the same end links.
Someone handy that makes parks could easily sell out a small run of end links.


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Yes! I found a bracelet in the net from a dress whatch and now Iím looking for correct end links ....
...still looking....
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12-07-2018 09:35 PM
peterrizzo
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterrizzo View Post
i think i agree, i got my bezel off, and the idea was to put the replacement
bezel in there to spare the wear and tear on the original, which is in pretty
good shape. it was FILTHY under that bezel, i seriously doubt that it has
ever been removed, and the original insert seems to be very tightly bonded
to the bezel.

so, does anyone know, is that insert glued in, or press-fitted? if i try to
knock it out from the back, will i damage the insert? that would be quite the opposite of my intention of reducing wear and tear on it with any ordinary
insert, i've just pressed it out from behind, maybe it's battling 48 years of inertia? or is it made to really stay in one piece?

maybe we should ask seikosis, i think his name is arin, maybe he's a member
here?

i have to say, it's a beautiful, beautiful part. seikohoarder is correct, this part
pretty indistinguishable from the original, the difference being it's perfect condition.
ok, so i answered my own question, i pushed it out from behind, i'm used to doing that with my thumbnail, but i used a good blunt slot head screwdriver,
and managed to be gentle enough not to deform the original bezel. the new
one pushed right in, but i am going to use bezel insert adhesive when that
watch is ready to wear...all i need now is to get the bezel spring to work.
that is a really annoying job, i am waiting for bright sunlight....
12-07-2018 07:00 PM
peterrizzo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digitalone View Post
I tried to do it and then decided to hold off to do some more research. Have yet to find anything on the net. My experience was that it doesn't feel like it will come out without cutting it out. It must be press fitted. Perhaps a jewler could do it. I think the risk is that if I try to force out the old one I could bend the bezel and that old be bad.


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i think i agree, i got my bezel off, and the idea was to put the replacement
bezel in there to spare the wear and tear on the original, which is in pretty
good shape. it was FILTHY under that bezel, i seriously doubt that it has
ever been removed, and the original insert seems to be very tightly bonded
to the bezel.

so, does anyone know, is that insert glued in, or press-fitted? if i try to
knock it out from the back, will i damage the insert? that would be quite the opposite of my intention of reducing wear and tear on it with any ordinary
insert, i've just pressed it out from behind, maybe it's battling 48 years of inertia? or is it made to really stay in one piece?

maybe we should ask seikosis, i think his name is arin, maybe he's a member
here?

i have to say, it's a beautiful, beautiful part. seikohoarder is correct, this part
pretty indistinguishable from the original, the difference being it's perfect condition.
12-05-2018 06:02 PM
Digitalone
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterrizzo View Post
digitalone, i am in the same boat as you, i ordered a bezel from the same

guy on ebay, my intention is to swap bezels so the original stays as pristine as it is and the replacement takes the hits....i was planning on removing the

bezel by conventional means, rubber donut or case knife, and then i figured i could push the old one out from below and glue the new one in...if this sounds

like a bad plan to sanyone, please let digitalone and i know...



thanks all,



peter


I tried to do it and then decided to hold off to do some more research. Have yet to find anything on the net. My experience was that it doesn't feel like it will come out without cutting it out. It must be press fitted. Perhaps a jewler could do it. I think the risk is that if I try to force out the old one I could bend the bezel and that old be bad.


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12-05-2018 05:01 PM
tritto The bracket itself is shared across a variety of low value dress 7005/6s and at least in 6308 that my neighbour asked me to look at. What's tricky is the end links. I'm not aware of another watch that uses the same end links.
Someone handy that makes parks could easily sell out a small run of end links.


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12-05-2018 03:05 PM
peterrizzo
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Originally Posted by Digitalone View Post
Iíll be sure to let you know how it works out. Can always complain to PayPal, Visa and eBay if it doesnít work out. Anyway Iíll keep you all posted.


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digitalone, i am in the same boat as you, i ordered a bezel from the same
guy on ebay, my intention is to swap bezels so the original stays as pristine as it is and the replacement takes the hits....i was planning on removing the
bezel by conventional means, rubber donut or case knife, and then i figured i could push the old one out from below and glue the new one in...if this sounds
like a bad plan to sanyone, please let digitalone and i know...

thanks all,

peter
12-05-2018 10:19 AM
Seiko Hoarder With the endlinks, a low price may be $120. I have two NOS bracelets without endlinks which I bought for $20 each, but the seller didn't know what they were.
12-04-2018 02:04 PM
peterrizzo
Quote:
Originally Posted by raudoraf View Post
Iím looking for a original one for my proof-proof poor man!
i've got two 7005, a white and a black, and two original bracelets,
both the same size, fit my 6-3/4" wrist very nicely, not too tight.
can we get a consensus here on what an original bracelet is worth?
i don't wear mine, so i'd be willing to let one go...

thanks,
'


peterrizzo
09-14-2018 06:44 PM
raudoraf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seiko Hoarder View Post
Mine came today.



I put it on an 18mm rally strap I have had for years.



I have a couple original bracelets, but I don't want to scuff them up.


Iím looking for a original one for my proof-proof poor man!
09-01-2018 08:26 AM
Seiko Hoarder
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grammarofdesign View Post
Not to burst your bubble, but Seiko has never sold inserts, only bezels with inserts attached.

Perhaps you found one extracted from a genuine bezel but the odds of that are slim, again, informational post only not saying your recent purchase isn’t.

The ones on eBay look good but the seller can be a raving lunatic so buyer beware.
True about OEM bezels only being sold mounted in the ring, never as an insert.

The ebay seller, Seikosis, is far from a raving lunitic however. I've bought from him several times and am very satisfied. The problem is, his AM parts are TOO good. if you do a side-by-side comparison with an OEM bezel, dial, or dial ring, it's a dead on ringer for color, font, finish, lume color, iridescence... everything.

While the same part from the Philippines is an obvious fake. How to spot the fake dial or bezel part when buying a watch if it is indistinguishable from the original? And if they are that good, would it really even matter?
09-01-2018 01:58 AM
Digitalone Iíll be sure to let you know how it works out. Can always complain to PayPal, Visa and eBay if it doesnít work out. Anyway Iíll keep you all posted.


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08-31-2018 11:51 PM
Grammarofdesign
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Originally Posted by Digitalone View Post
I know this is an old thread however if any of you have attempted to remove the bezel insert I would appreciate your thoughts. I have a PM's 62MAS that I originally bought in 73 and just made purchase of a replacement original bezel insert.

Thanks.
Not to burst your bubble, but Seiko has never sold inserts, only bezels with inserts attached.

Perhaps you found one extracted from a genuine bezel but the odds of that are slim, again, informational post only not saying your recent purchase isnít.

The ones on eBay look good but the seller can be a raving lunatic so buyer beware.
08-31-2018 06:34 AM
freakyscope Nice watches, hard to find in a good state, even harder to pay
08-20-2018 07:04 PM
Digitalone I know this is an old thread however if any of you have attempted to remove the bezel insert I would appreciate your thoughts. I have a PM's 62MAS that I originally bought in 73 and just made purchase of a replacement original bezel insert.

Thanks.


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03-18-2018 01:39 PM
Grammarofdesign This is a really GREAT reference thread. Well done, thank you.
03-17-2018 10:40 AM
Seiko Hoarder I keep revising my review as I learn new things.

I really enjoy researching and writing these. They are meant to benefit Seiko enthusiasts for as however long they stay up. Many times I have gleened information from a decade-old post, and I would like to provide the same service.



If anyone spots a mistake, please correct me.
03-14-2018 08:11 PM
Seiko Hoarder Mine came today.



I put it on an 18mm rally strap I have had for years.



I have a couple original bracelets, but I don't want to scuff them up.
03-11-2018 11:57 PM
Grammarofdesign
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Originally Posted by Seiko Hoarder View Post
I just borrowed your picture. I hope you don't mind.
Don't mind at all, hope you rotated it the darn phone uploads seemingly normal and then it appears on the computer screen turned 90 degrees !
03-11-2018 08:32 AM
Seiko Hoarder
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Originally Posted by Grammarofdesign View Post
I love this reference. My set:
I just borrowed your picture. I hope you don't mind.
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