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The first dial is the one in my 60s i am wearing at the moment notice the nice bezel, the one below is the Hong Kong dial which also has the bezeled day window but not all of them do and i believe that some of the Suwa dials don't have the bevel either.

Another good check for originality is that the text at 6 if possible to rotate, it would pass just below the hour marker.

I personally find it VERY difficult with some dials to know if they are original or not.


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Looks another perfect one for the project, is the dial original ?, i could of done with that 7548 second hand a couple of weeks back !!!
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The dial is aftermarket, says: CASED HONG KO


missing the 'NG'
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Looks another perfect one for the project, is the dial original ?, i could of done with that 7548 second hand a couple of weeks back !!!
He told me it wasn't original dial but the case seems to be pretty good and due to the fact I want to to a good cosmetic mod it works. He is sending along an original dial should I want to go that route as well.
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The first dial is the one in my 60s i am wearing at the moment notice the nice bezel,
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Everything is nice in that one, John!

Thanks for the explanations about the HK dials. We haven't even started yet and already I learned a ton of things about these 6309's. I am really enjoying this project. 8)
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I had been wanting to try my hand at lume. Clearly it takes a very steady hand and some knowledge but I have an old dial coming with my project subject and it would be great to give it a try. John I noticed that you do this....is it something you could add to our project for those that are interested or do you see it as too far off the path of the basics?

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I'd love to see a practical guide to dial luming, too. I've done hands, but not yet had a go at dials. Practical guides on this subject are rare, and those that I've seen have never gone into any detail. I think I know why - "trade secrets".
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I had been wanting to try my hand at lume. Clearly it takes a very steady hand and some knowledge but I have an old dial coming with my project subject and it would be great to give it a try. John I noticed that you do this....is it something you could add to our project for those that are interested or do you see it as too far off the path of the basics?
I have no problem going into reluming as well, i am no expert so it would be great to pass on my little bit of knowledge and hopefully learn more from you guys with more experience, this is what the project is all about.
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Hong Kong dial - It is original and as John stated, it's window is either smaller (shallow) than the 704L T dials.

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Hi guys,
I took a few more pictures of the apparently original 6309-7040 that I have bought for the project, and I also opened the case back to take a peek inside:



You'll notice some rust on the outer ring (I have no idea how it's called) but the movement itself appears clean, here is a detail at 1:1 scale from the shot above:



Another movement shot at 1:1 scale, this one shows the rust clearly:



Hopefully this can be cleaned up.
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Hi all

I decided to buy a 6309 7290 instead of the 6309 7040, as they are heaps cheaper and I have a bunch of other things I need to spend money on at the moment. I got this one for $39US from a deceased estate. I know the project hasn't started yet but I thought I would take the Bezel off and check the case wasn't corroded underneath because it wouldn't turn, it had a little dirt under it!. It runs well too which was all I was really concerned with as I am going to put modified parts on it anyway. Just have to decide on parts which should arrive by the time we start this project.

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Wow, that 7290 of yours had dirt from the time that pyramids were being made..! ) )
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"a little dirt"?
You do practice the art of understatement!
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Remarkable how clean the movement looks despite all that stuff! Guess the seals held up then!
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I have often found that the "dirty" watches can work out the best as they have not been polished or tampered with and are all original.
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Col, I think the former owner was fond of therapeutic mud baths
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Col, I think the former owner was fond of therapeutic mud baths
... and had total confidence in his 6309-7290 (mud) pressure rating!
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I have often found that the "dirty" watches can work out the best as they have not been polished or tampered with and are all original.

This is good advice!


Certainly worth bearing in mind when appraising some of those auction site specials...
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Certainly worth bearing in mind when appraising some of those auction site specials...
One of my best "Dirty" buys was a Belle that must have been owned by a painter has the watch was covered in paint top to bottom as well as the bracelet, the crystal was scratched to the point you could hardly see the time, in fact a real mess.

But............the case had never been opened and the movement was like new, the paint had worked as a seal so no water or condensation had got into the watch from any point, the dial and hands were mint (not in smell or taste i hasten to add ;D ) and when the paint was cleaned off of the case and bracelet again they were in superb condition, a new crystal fitted and it was a little jem.

As the saying goes "Where there's muck there's ..........."
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My Goodies arrived from Ed today. Quite pleased. Some bad pics for you.

The package contained two nice plastic clam shell cases.


The head (running and movement very clean) along with two new crowns (not sure why he sent two but I'm not complaining)
Very few nicks or dings (maybe one). No machining or brushing on top of pillow so either polished out or worn....but a good case.



Caseback seems good...no major gouges or marks. Not sure if it shows signs of lots of prior polish...(not much frame of reference)


Three dials! Two original which are cool to see (bevel and such on date window) and a new one that looks good with semi passable lume.


Set of gaskets, Bezel insert, and hands which all look good. Hands have decent lume.




Crystal and spring bars for good measure



I have some tools to get from a local watch supply (Somal Watch) if I can sneak away this week and I am good to start. I must say, being very comfortable with working and building anything mechanical...I find the scale of this stuff a bit intimidating!!

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Seems you got a lot more than I did! I got one watch head, one aftermarket dial, one seemingly OEM bezel insert, spring bars, aftermarket strap, hands (assumed to be aftermarket) and no spare crown or gaskets...


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Seems you got a lot more than I did! I got one watch head, one aftermarket dial, one seemingly OEM bezel insert, spring bars, aftermarket strap, hands (assumed to be aftermarket) and no spare crown or gaskets...


Photos to come shortly...
I should have said I asked to modify the offer he made to include gaskets and not the band. I also asked if he could include an original dial thinking they would be of little value to a restorer.....and he did. Not sure I would do anything with them although the "fixer" in me keeps wondering about being able to restore a dial to its former glory.....an impossible thing. I could give you one if you wanted.

There may have been a bit of extra generosity on his part due to the fact I set up the connection.....but I certainly didn't ask.
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hey i don't know if this is in bad form to ask this here but i actually prefer the aged look so i'd love to get ahold of some "aged" dials and bezels.
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Thanks Chuck, you've got me all excited for my package coming from Ed! ;D

I opted for two watches, one of the packages and I asked him to source a working 4205 movement (for a diver restoration), which he did with a little work. He's very good with communication....
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