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Andrew !!!!! tell me your kidding ?? you dident really buy the Yellow one did you ??? ?? :-\
I did! Did I miss any warning about it ? Like "Don't buy the NEW SUPER STICKY (YELLOW) BALL SCREW BACK WATCH CASE OPENER or all your watches will EXPLODE!!!"?
I knew it! I knew I should have asked before!
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Andrew the YELLOW is the grail of all sticky balls !!! congrats.

After the shiny blue one that is )
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Starrett still makes high quality tools. Mostly precision measuring tools. I have tool boxes full of them that I use in my real world job at the salt mine, and when I need one of those special tools, there is no time or money to be messing about. Flight delays quickly escalate in $100K per minute so we only have quality tools at hand.

I learned the same lesson when I started restoring old double barrel shotguns and vintage model 221 Singer sewing machines.

I'm thinking our tool and die makers don't have enough work to keep them busy, and that 4932 would look awesome with a nice hand rubbed black walnut grip checkered at 32 lpi.


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Like you Max i used to own a lot of Starrett tools when i was in the engineering and they were always considered top quality which of course they were/are.
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I'm thinking our tool and die makers don't have enough work to keep them busy, and that 4932 would look awesome with a nice hand rubbed black walnut grip checkered at 32 lpi.
Hi,
The Bergeon 4932 case opener knife is made by Wenger, one of the two Swiss knife companies. It is a one-piece stainless steel blade with two riveted aluminum alloy side scales. The aluminum alloy is called eloxy and it is slightly textured.
It can be ordered from this online seller: http://www.swiss-knife.com/default.asp?lan=EN
I don't hesitate to recommend this small family-owned business, they are 100% reliable and price competitive.
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Well, this is getting serious now! I have just ordered my first lot of tools - set of screwdrivers (.6mm to 3mm - please don't tell me I'll need the .5mm, took long enough choosing!), together with tweezers no's. 2 and 3.


Next stop, movement holder and springbar tool! (...and I can't resist that Bergeon 6111! )


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I'm about to order tools for the project (finally funds came in!). I was wondering if anyone here is based in the UK and can discuss with me the best place to order tools from (factoring in shipping costs, etc.) Via messenger probably, so we don't bore the Americans.
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I get 90% of my tools and consumables from Cousins (Cousins Material House). They only sell good quality kit, at reasonable prices. If you place an order on their website before 15:00, it'll normally arrive the next day. If you decide to order from them, you'll be asked to confirm that you are a business buyer at the end of the process. Just tick the box - they don't check!
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I find myself reaching for a 1.0mm screwdriver more often than the springbar tool these days. Springbar tool is safer, but screwdriver is faster!
There are some very good "Bergeon style" movement holders on eBay, but make sure you get the large size.

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I find myself reaching for a 1.0mm screwdriver more often than the springbar tool these days. Springbar tool is safer, but screwdriver is faster!
There are some very good "Bergeon style" movement holders on eBay, but make sure you get the large size.

Hi Steve! Yes... might have been a touch of extravagance about the 6111 (purchased just minutes after my post!) but couldn't help myself.. *


Yep - picked up the 4040, can't describe the annoyance I would have had if I'd ordered the smaller ligne capacity 4039 without knowing different... but all is well.


Incidentally, this is a useful bit of kit, picked one up from David - https://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php?topic=5711.0


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* edit: but not as extravagant as the Bergeon 6825!!
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I'm about to order tools for the project (finally funds came in!). I was wondering if anyone here is based in the UK and can discuss with me the best place to order tools from (factoring in shipping costs, etc.) Via messenger probably, so we don't bore the Americans.
As already said Cousins are very good and reliable also for a good selection of quality tools have a look here plus David has given me some codes so that any one on the project can get 10% off anything they buy.

http://www.watchtool.co.uk/
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I find myself reaching for a 1.0mm screwdriver more often than the springbar tool these days. Springbar tool is safer, but screwdriver is faster!
There are some very good "Bergeon style" movement holders on eBay, but make sure you get the large size.
The Bergeon 6767 with the micro ends is a fine tool and cheap imo plus spare blades are available if and when you damage one.

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With the movement holders i have used the OEM and the after market holders and the after market are ok but when you do use an original you notice the difference in how they hold the movement just that bit better made imo.

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I'm about to order tools for the project (finally funds came in!). I was wondering if anyone here is based in the UK and can discuss with me the best place to order tools from (factoring in shipping costs, etc.) Via messenger probably, so we don't bore the Americans.

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The Bergeon 6767 with the micro ends is a fine tool and cheap imo plus spare blades are available if and when you damage one.

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I second that! And the spare tips are a must (I bent the pin tip and broke a chip off of one of the teeth of the fork tip in my 6767-F, through sheer stupidity ).
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I second that! And the spare tips are a must (I bent the pin tip and broke a chip off of one of the teeth of the fork tip in my 6767-F, through sheer stupidity ).

Haha yes, I'm hoping the broader tip of the 6111 might go some way to preventing that very same thing happening to me! But, then again stupidity has an extraordinary resolve with a canny habit of prevailing! doh.... :-[
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Haha yes, I'm hoping the broader tip of the 6111 might go some way to preventing that very same thing happening to me! But, then again stupidity has an extraordinary resolve with a canny habit of prevailing! doh.... :-[
The problem i found with the broad tip Andrew was that it made changing a lot of bracelets really difficult, you know how many of them have the relief cut into the end link the large fork would not go in but the micro was a god send, but the broad one might be better on straps (i use bracelets most of the time).
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The problem i found with the broad tip Andrew was that it made changing a lot of bracelets really difficult, you know how many of them have the relief cut into the end link the large fork would not go in but the micro was a god send, but the broad one might be better on straps (i use bracelets most of the time).

Good point, actually not thought of that! The other side may in that case see some use, being a reversible pin punch and smaller fork combo.. On the whole I tend to prefer the look of bracelet too, and for some reason can't quite get get the NATO look. (I'd better duck now....!)
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Good point, actually not thought of that! The other side may in that case see some use, being a reversible pin punch and smaller fork combo.. On the whole I tend to prefer the look of bracelet too, and for some reason can't quite get get the NATO look. (I'd better duck now....!)
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I tried a really nice Nato on last week but the buckle instead of being under my wrist was going up the side and i just couldent wear it plus i just prefer bracelets and to old to change I think it is just every one to his own.

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Howie:


I saw those custom caseback openers on another forum, and they look excellent. If I didn't already have a Bergeon-type opener (bought a few years ago, secondhand), I'd've bought one.


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I'll add a 6767 to my next order. My current springbar tool is just too big to fit the cutouts in most bracelets, hence the screwdriver.


On the subject of NATOs, I was wary of them, too. I still don't understand why the buckle has to sit on the side of the wrist, but they are very comfy once you get used to them. I prefer the RAF type, without the second loop behind the watch head.
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It's here! It's arrived!

Well of course the "NEW SUPER STICKY (YELLOW) BALL SCREW BACK WATCH CASE OPENER" (sorry for the all caps, that's how it was described by the seller, and I can't help but quote exactly).
And so I had to try it, and I am happy to report it works, you just have to get the hang of it. So: no more deep gouges in case backs from the Jaxa-style tool.

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That's the one I got too, and it even came in the same packaging
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I think I am good to go.

Stopped by a local watch supply company (Somal Watch, west of Toronto, great guys) and they had everything I needed for the basics. Found a good raised platform. Couldn't resist popping the bezel off that was seized to see what I would find. (waiting for the group for anything further :-)



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I haven't seen anyone mention oil? I'm using Moebius 9010 and was wondering what others who may take apart the movement will use.
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Up to now, I've been using Moebius 8000, but I've just bought some 9010.
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