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Old 01-20-2018, 02:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if anyone has actually tried this yet as a solution to the 6309-836 bezel insert issue. So I figured I would post my experiment with it. These bezels seem impossible to find and there are no AM inserts being made that anyone knows of. The insert seems to be crimped in by the bezel edge, it doesn't look like it comes out. Big thanks to the fellas that colluded to create the bezel size guide on the forum. As you can see by the pictures the Seiko bezel insert is about 36mm with 35.5mm showing inside the rim. The AM bezel insert for the Rolex 5512 is 36.5mm. The other issue is the Rolex insert has an upward concave on the ID, presumably for a domed crystal. That was an easy fix to flatten it. I simply put it in my case back press with the flat disks and pressed it flat. You can see the picture of the Rolex bezel insert sitting on top of the Seiko bezel, it doesn't look like I'm going to lose much of the outer edge to file it down to fit inside of the Seiko bezel rim. So that's the experiment so far. The next step will be to file 1mm off the Rolex bezel insert to fit inside the Seiko bezel rim and file down the original top of the Seiko bezel insert as much as I can to try and get the Rolex insert to at least sit flush with the Seiko bezel rim. I'll post more as this experiment progresses.





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Experiment is a fail, too much has to be taken off the Rolex bezel and even filed down as thin as I could it still sticks above the rim of the bezel. Even taping off the face and filing by hand with a carbide dremel cut out of disc it 'chipped' the aluminum on the edges. So..... Idea #2 ? Will post progress.
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EXPERIMENT #2

This looks a little more promising for appearance anyways. It's a waterslide decal. I have a couple of printable sheets left over from some models. Print what you like on it, seal it so the ink doesn't run when soaked in water, then apply just like a decal for a plastic model kit. A couple of coats of clear acrylic will seal it and give it some durability. But then again it's easy to scratch an AM aluminum insert anyways. It may take a couple of tries but it looks as though it will work until I can find a suitable insert (if possible to replace in this model) or as a last resort hand paint it which I am definitely no Picasso that's for sure. One thing that I found interesting is the white does not print, it's clear so it has silver numbers and markers from the bare metal underneath.
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Trimmed the decal, it's a bit too big though. The waterslide decal works quite well. It does show every little imperfection beneath it though. I'll strip this decal off, do a better prep of the surface, then print a new one just a hair smaller and try it again. Anyone finding any of this of any use? or do you think I'm just nuts?
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I'm interested. Looking a lot into model kit building recently the use of putty, smoothed down and then sanded provides a nice smooth finish. With decals I noticed he printed some off that were custom made. A project that interests me.

What I assume you would need to do is sand and finish a surface quite sufficiently before masking off the necessary area to airbrush the correct colours. The text decal then applied to a varnished and sanded down surface would provide a nice finish. Once the decals are applied you would then need a decal setter to smooth the surface of the decal into the varnished surface underneath, before applying one last coat of varnish to secure the decals and provide a polished and clean surface. Lot of work....but this is the way I'd imagine doing it with excellent results aslong as the airbrushing was good and the necessary prep was done to leave the decals looking as good as possible.

I'll dig out a video to see how this person does their excellent work as I'd say that aspects of that would work here.
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I might be teaching you how to suck eggs...so let me know. But watch this all the way through and see if it gives you ideas?

Would be great to test out the decal thing so if you have the inclination to create a tutorial.....

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It actually prints out nice, I have some ideas for smoothing the surface. Auto spot putty sticks very well, can be sanded easy enough and sticks to metals very well. I like your thoughts on a varnish though, something a little tougher than clear acrylic. I wish I had some of the clear urethane we used when I did concrete floor coatings. You can literally drive a forklift on it. Look up Waterslide decal Paper for your printer. They make 2 kinds, one for Laserjets and one for Inkjets. I did quite a few detailed models years ago. Detailed the insides, gauges and all, even used different size threads for spark plug wires and vacuum lines. I wish I had some pictures of them.

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Sounds good, I will most likely attempt something similar but it would be a way off...

I am however very willing to allow you to take the lead and work it all out while I sip tea and read your progress!
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Making some progress and it's looking promising. The hard part is getting the OD and ID correct and getting it to print correctly. This one doesn't look too bad, I'll see what it looks like once it dries. If it shrinks just a tad (0.5mm or so) it might just be perfect in size. If not I may have to reduce the image another 0.5 mm and reprint it.
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Looking good zeke. Nice job. So you painted the insert again and tried a new decal? Did you see what the uses to set the decals in that video above or are you letting the dry after dousing in water?
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Looking good zeke. Nice job. So you painted the insert again and tried a new decal? Did you see what the uses to set the decals in that video above or are you letting the dry after dousing in water?
It's printed decal and applied on clear coated bare metal, that's how it has that silver metal look to the numbers. I had to photoshop it from scratch as no copied pictures would come out with the correct ID and OD dimensions. I'm applying the decal as instructions show then hitting it with the wife's hair dryer for a minute ( did it too much on previous tries and it fubar'd it), then letting it sit and dry, that seems to have shrank it a tad and it looks good. I'm going to let it sit over night and tomorrow I'll epoxy a triangle piece of aluminum foil at the 12 O'clock mark, then apply a half dozen or so layers of clear acrylic, and finally dimple a hole in the 12 O'clock to put the dot in. I should have a donor here Monday for the 4 O'clock date/day wheels and then I can finally put the whole thing together this week.
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Trimmed it out, so far I'm liking the results.I think instead of a gloss I'm going to go to a matte finish clear to build up a couple of protective layers over the design to cut down a bit on the shine. I'm going to go with a blue sports dial as well. It should look pretty good when done.
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That beautiful blue Seiko 5 dial was a bust. The badge is too prominent and the hour hand will not clear it, that's a shame. No worries though, It will just go into the 7S36 project coming up next. It's a 7S36 dial anyways. As for the 6309-836 bezel? It came out okay, the watch is together, has a 6309-840L dial in it for now. I still have a couple of tweaks to do to get it perfect (straighten the dial, see what's wrong with the date/day wheels, order a nice rubber strap)but it's late and I got work in a few hours. Here's the progress so far.
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Much better now. Fixed the issue with the day date wheels. Found a better dial that is actually installed correctly with feet that are screwed down and in the correct position. Almost happy with it, just some finishing touches needed.
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Much better now. Fixed the issue with the day date wheels. Found a better dial that is actually installed correctly with feet that are screwed down and in the correct position. Almost happy with it, just some finishing touches needed.
Kudos! Love the gold and I'm not a gold fan..got a couple of these bezels knocking around and was wondering what I could do to sharpen them up; it never crossed my mind but now I definitely going to look into trying a decal. Well done.
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