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Old 03-06-2019, 03:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I want to DIY the lume the hands on 'That 6106'

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While the hour hand appears good I may have to do both to have them match.

Please, I am open to recommendations of a lume product, available in the UK, for this project.

I will be practicing on these hands first,

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Old 03-06-2019, 07:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Don - Bergeon makes a very nice starter kit that I have used on a number of my vintage Seiko's. It works very well and comes with everything you need. A little pricey but it works. You can get it in white or green lume. I have used the white on my projects with excellent results.

http://www.ofrei.com/luminous-paste-...als.html#19095
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Don - Here is a video from Mike over in the UK on how to re-lume hands. He also mentions products. In my opinion, Mike mixes way too much lume for the job, but he has a lot of product to burn. For a small set of hands like you have on your watch, you only need about 3 or 4 heaps of lume on the end of an oiler placed into the mixing cup. Add an equal amount of binder/resin next to the lume pile in the mixing cup using the end of you large oiler and mix the two together until you get the consistency of wet pancake mix.

To remove the lume, simply flip the hands over face down on a piece of watch paper and user your brass or SS tweezer laid flat against the back of the hand to gently scrape the old lume away. Some have also used a glass fiber brush used for brushing cases to remove the lume. Clean with rodoco and lighter fluid and you are ready to put the lume on. You want to prep the hands first before mixing up the lume as it sets up and dries quickly. The Bergeon kit has a vile with a red dot (binder) and green dot (thinning agent). The thinning agent can be used to thin the mix if needed, but I have never had to use it.

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I'll send you some decent lume powder.
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Thanks Vette for the video and Bry for the offer but before I take you up there was a question put by a viewer which I was considering myself.

What to use IF no lume is required to match a dial which has lost its lume.

Does anyone know the answer.

Or perhaps one of the Humbrol paints.
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Hmm that video....it's ok but not what I would do. Will struggle with that technique with 6309 or 7549 hands. Some interesting info. Maybe I should do a vid but I can't be bothered.

Don, oxide powders and salt.
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Yes oxide powders are available in many colours. The dial indices are not white or green so I would have to mix a few to try.

What does the salt do ?
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A smidging of pigment can help aged look.
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I wonder if its looking me in the face....Cerium powder which I have.

Pale yellow white.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerium(IV)_oxide
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Some use a different colour painted under the lume.
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Adds texture. Yes white brightens the lume on hands which may appear darker against a dial compared to the dial lume so a mix that matches might not work the same for both applications.

You have to look at tones of colour, tiny amounts can make a huge difference I've found.
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Hmm that video.... Maybe I should do a vid but I can't be bothered.

Come on Guy, Don't you want to Pat yourself on the back and Toot your Own horn like someone else we know??


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What is the likelyhood of the hands on a 7S26-0480 fitting the above 6106.

The style is identical.

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What is the likelyhood of the hands on a 7S26-0480 fitting the above 6106.

The style is identical.

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They should be a direct swap.........
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Before

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During

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Good work! Lume shot or it didnt happen...


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It's non lume to match the markers.
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Maybe I should do a vid but I can't be bothered.

Guy, Im afraid that Im now going to quote Mrs Doyle. Aah, go on. Go on, you will wont you. Go on, go on, go on, go on. Aah, go on, you will now. You will you will you will, go on now. (Im grinning and thinking all the non English will wonder what the hell that means. The English know exactly what that means!)



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(Im grinning and thinking all the non English will wonder what the hell that means. The English know exactly what that means!)


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Humbrol Matt Cote is what I use too
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Beautiful job. Looks fantastic.
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I practiced on the DX hands, which have smaller lume ports, which worked with no issues.

Then on the 6106 I had to rework the hour hand because the 'lume' cracked (too thin). The port on it is much wider than the minute hand.

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Well this is great info....i can not wait to try this myself with some old hands...God Bless,John
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