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Old 02-10-2019, 04:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, I'm new here, came looking for help with parts or advice!

Have a lord matic with a slipping hour and minute hand when approaching date setting time, so is slipping of the off center cannon pinion. Was considering trying to crimp it a bit tighter, but may be easier to replace the part but no luck finding anything on ebay - any suggestions? Part number is 220560.

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Old 02-10-2019, 01:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi I have the parts but try to crimp the cannon pinion first. Its quite simple but......less is more you don't want to over tighten because the reverse is far more difficult. Have a go. You could use nail clippers for example to tighten the pinion.
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Have the same problem with a 5606. It doesn't have enough strength to shift the day all they way.have a spare movement but is going to try crimping the friction pinion first.
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Thanks for the advice - was planning to use some adjustable cable strippers that I have, along with an added bushing for a bit more control, they seem about right for the job. I'll go carefully and will report back once I've tried.
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Unless they are a lot smaller than most cable strippers I've seen, I think you might have problems accessing where you need to crimp on the driver of the off-set center wheel. Plus the force imparted by those would likely crush it.
I'd recommend putting the driver on a tapered smoothing broach (a tapered brass pin would be even better) and using something like this fishing line cutter, which would have flush jaws and much less force acting on the driver:



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Unless they are a lot smaller than most cable strippers I've seen, I think you might have problems accessing where you need to crimp on the driver of the off-set center wheel. Plus the force imparted by those would likely crush it.
I'd recommend putting the driver on a tapered smoothing broach (a tapered brass pin would be even better) and using something like this fishing line cutter, which would have flush jaws and much less force acting on the driver:



http://www.accuray.com.pk/product-im...ols/FT-135.jpg
Great tips. Going to find some of those clippers. I have used a small nail clipper for this. But it's starting to look a bit dull and have some marks on the edges. The 5606 friction pinion is very small and have a very small area where you can crimp it. So you need a small tool for that. I cleaned my pinion and put a tiny amount of breaking grease 8217 on it. Hope that would work.
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Just to report progress...
Stripped the movement down, and whilst taking some measurements with my calipers, thought I'd try a little squeeze with them. The pinion seemed to tighten, so I thought that I had a lucky result. Put everything back (that was necessary to test) and it worked! However, the drag on manual setting was quite high for about 5 revolutions and then after those few turns of the crown all the friction disappeared, so I'm back where I started.
Another strip down and a second attempt next weekend...
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Did you grease the friction between the post and driving wheel before re-installing? Were your crimp marks on the same level as the previous ones? These can be tricky and weren't really designed to be taken apart, so you may be looking at a new one after all.
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Seems to be so much work for something readily available.
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You need to put some grease on it. Otherwise it will put to much strain on other parts and will wear out fast. This pinion is almost impossible to crimp . So super tiny. You need something very sharp to crimp this. And even if you can it could make it worse as it's so thin. Should almost need something to support is with so it doesn't get oval. Had the same problem with a Lanco 1145 movement.

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Seems to be so much work for something readily available.
doesn't seem to be so readily available where I've looked so far! Any suggestions as to where?
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2nd post here (first reply) member Melt said he has one in stock. I myself have a few in stock. What’s your location as shipping will play a big part on the overall price.
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I'm in the UK - London.
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