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Old 05-26-2019, 10:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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DID WE REALLY LAND OR EVEN GO TO THE MOON???

Iíve watched over the last few weeks about 30-35 Videos on YouTube some even legitimate documentaries with what I now believe after watching shows concrete evidence we NEVER landed on the moon?

Now Iím a person who likes to be shown things when I donít understand something not told or read to and Seriously some of this evidence Iíve watched over the last few weeks with even an actual spoken Comment made by Buzz Aldrin saying:-
They did not go to the Moon!! Has me totally wondering if they really did.
Pictures doctored,videos blatantly showing wires used to correct the Astronauts
When they are supposed to be in Space?
Hands in the background seen righting Astronauts,Water Bubbles passing Astronauts again supposedly in space,proving they were in a pool?

So many Theorists and ex NASA employees commenting it was all a hoax and done in a studio or in a Blacked out swimming pool.

The moon Landing ship leaving no Blast marks where it landed and no dust on the Craft after landing whatsoever?
The Crystal Clear photographs supposedly on the moon but every other Photograph approaching or landing showing terrible bad quality pictures?
Shadows in the wrong place,The US flag moving in Space?

Sorry to say but after watching these videos and the interviews of high up ex employees testimonies etc I really think the Conspiracy Theorists have a point.
Some of the Videos Iíve watched where your eye would not look unless shown
Really does show some very unusual and irrefutable proof somethingís not right

Plus thereís also the absolute truth that the Radiation belt the Craft would have to pass through on the way to the moon No human could survive!!

And Iíve looked that up!! A few times and itís for real.

Have we really been?
Is the Earth Flat?

Does Dolly Parton really sleep on her back?
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Neilo - I've been an Apollo/Moon Mission buff my entire life. Look at my WRUW post from yesterday.

We went to the moon. And people gave their lives so we could get there and back safely. To question the validity of the moon missions is disrespectful to those who died and gave their lives for it.

IMO there are far more things currently going on in our world that we should be questioning - the Apollo moon missions aren't one of them. The conspiracy theorists have motives that aren't pure, as do many in our society trying to pass off fake narratives.
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Mike, I too have been extremely interested in NASA's space endeavors that ultimately put astronauts on the surface of the moon. Neilo, do some research on the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter). It's been orbiting the moon and is equipped with high resolution cameras that captured detailed imagery of each of the six lunar landings. Have a good look at the images and tell me if you still think it's a hoax.

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Yes, we did go to the moon. The whole conspiracy theory about that subject is just nut cases. I think most are 'Flat Earthers' anyways. The episode of The Big Bang Theory where they bounce a laser signal off the moon is theoretically possible if you had the right equipment. We put a mirror on the moon to reflect a laser signal. We have been using this method to keep track of the distance form the Earth to the Moon. It's called Lidar, a surveying method that measures distance to a target by illuminating the target with pulsed laser light and measuring the reflected pulses with a sensor.
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Occam's Razor: Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Which has fewer assumptions?

That NASA actually made not one, but several lunar landings over the course of a decade?

Or that NASA faked the landings, and managed to keep the secret until this day with literally thousands of people remaining silent?
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Neilo - I've been an Apollo/Moon Mission buff my entire life. Look at my WRUW post from yesterday.

We went to the moon. And people gave their lives so we could get there and back safely. To question the validity of the moon missions is disrespectful to those who died and gave their lives for it.

IMO there are far more things currently going on in our world that we should be questioning - the Apollo moon missions aren't one of them. The conspiracy theorists have motives that aren't pure, as do many in our society trying to pass off fake narratives.

Mike you know me and believe me thereís no Disrespect whatsoever going on from my side,Iím just curious after seeing all this footage as well as interviews
Literally of credible people in their fields proving it never happened?
Now Iím no idiot and class myself as an intelligent human being but as an outsider so to speak who is just very fascinated by this kind of stuff including
A very high interest in Modern and wartime Fighter Jets,the SR71 and Stealth aircraft,Area 51 and 52 as well as Alien Contact.
Iím just An individual who can appreciate without burying my head in the sand like most people who hear about things that the Government be it the US UK or any other for that matter have a distinct habit of not exactly being honest with the public,History has shown us that over the decades with all the lies we are told be it for our benefit or not.

The Kennedy assassination
The Twin Towers
Watergate
Roswell
Alien Autopsy
Alien Crashed Aircraft in 1947
Etc etc etc?

All denied?but really are all the sightings and documented videos of UFOís all passed off as weather balloons? Are the governments being honest?
Thatís the only reason I question things from what Iíve seen or researched.

The moon landing Iím just questioning because of the things Iíve found,Curiosity
Mainly and as a member of society with a brain in my head (albeit not functioning 100%) to ask questions if Iím shown something that is flawed or is deemed to be Flawed.

Did One Guy (Oswald) with one gun really kill Kennedy? Seriously!!
Did Marilyn Monroe die of Natural Causes? Seriously!!


Iím just asking questions the same as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein or Jim Garrison did As it would be nice to hear the Truth Sometimes from our Governments Seeing as they mostly seem to hide the truth from the Public.

Iím not wanting to offend anyone here just looking for a bit of genuine proof and
Others opinions.Or is it a case of ďJar open Worms everywhere? 😜
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Occam's Razor: Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Which has fewer assumptions?

That NASA actually made not one, but several lunar landings over the course of a decade?

Or that NASA faked the landings, and managed to keep the secret until this day with literally thousands of people remaining silent?

Lets add one other very important detail that our conspiracy theorist never address: the majority of the Apollo astronauts (as well as Gemini and Mercury) were former military pilots; they were patriots who served their country and many of them were decorated combat heroes that flew combat missions in Korea. Almost every Apollo astronaut wrote a book about their lives and missions. So am I to believe that these career military men and heroes (and their families) all betrayed the country they so proudly served by partaking in and perpetuating a hoax as large as faked moon landings? Really?
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Mike you know me and believe me thereís no Disrespect whatsoever going on from my side,Iím just curious after seeing all this footage as well as interviews
Literally of credible people in their fields proving it never happened?
Now Iím no idiot and class myself as an intelligent human being but as an outsider so to speak who is just very fascinated by this kind of stuff including
A very high interest in Modern and wartime Fighter Jets,the SR71 and Stealth aircraft,Area 51 and 52 as well as Alien Contact.
Iím just An individual who can appreciate without burying my head in the sand like most people who hear about things that the Government be it the US UK or any other for that matter have a distinct habit of not exactly being honest with the public,History has shown us that over the decades with all the lies we are told be it for our benefit or not.

The Kennedy assassination
The Twin Towers
Watergate
Roswell
Alien Autopsy
Alien Crashed Aircraft in 1947
Etc etc etc?

All denied?but really are all the sightings and documented videos of UFOís all passed off as weather balloons? Are the governments being honest?
Thatís the only reason I question things from what Iíve seen or researched.

The moon landing Iím just questioning because of the things Iíve found,Curiosity
Mainly and as a member of society with a brain in my head (albeit not functioning 100%) to ask questions if Iím shown something that is flawed or is deemed to be Flawed.

Did One Guy (Oswald) with one gun really kill Kennedy? Seriously!!
Did Marilyn Monroe die of Natural Causes? Seriously!!


Iím just asking questions the same as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein or Jim Garrison did As it would be nice to hear the Truth Sometimes from our Governments Seeing as they mostly seem to hide the truth from the Public.

Iím not wanting to offend anyone here just looking for a bit of genuine proof and
Others opinions.Or is it a case of ďJar open Worms everywhere? 😜
IMO no one can be considered "credible" in their field if they are questioning the authenticity of the moon landings. I've seen their arguments and none of them hold water. Any argument they make can be debunked from multiple angles. These fringe people will always exist and they all have motives for their reasoning.
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Skepticism is healthy. It is a way for people to respond to the difficulty of living in a world in which people lie and institutions often leave us disappointed. We all must be skeptical as a defense. But we also must be on our guard against denialism. Denialism is uncritical skepticism or as Wikipedia says, “denialism is the rejection of basic facts and concepts that are undisputed, well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a subject, in favor of radical and controversial ideas.”

To some extent we are all denialists. We all have a tendency to cherry-pick facts that support our beliefs, and reject those that don’t align with our motivations, ideologies, or fears. But as of late, through the internet, Denialism has transformed into a quasi-religious parallel belief universe: an ideology. I know a number of intelligent, educated people (co-workers and relatives) who accept and defend a plethora of often conflicting denialisms: anti-vaxx, flat-earth, 911 truth, holocaust denial, moon landing conspiracy, illuminati theories, birthers… I find it telling how these otherwise intelligent people can embrace two mutually exclusive ideas, so long as they both reject the mainstream consensus.

Many of these forms of Denialism have tangible damage. Denial of past genocides promotes racism. Climate change denialists provide support for those opposed to taking action to address climate change. Denial of evolution works to foster a distrust in science. Flat Earthers foster an environment in which the scientific world view breaks down in favor of an all-encompassing suspicion that nothing is what it seems and science is a lie. Each of these denialisms feeds feeds into other denialisms.

I view Moon landing conspiracy theories as part of a larger denialist movement.

Have you read any counter claims supported by evidence? They are not hard to find.
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Just to show how widespread the theory is -in 2001 I had the privilege of talking to a highly placed official in our country's national security agency.this was on a totally unrelated subject. Out of the blue, while chatting about trivial things, He said pretty much the same thing about there being no moon landing.

I do believe there was. I also believe we each of us can hold different beliefs and agree to disagree
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I do believe there was. I also believe we each of us can hold different beliefs and agree to disagree

Just like with religion.
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Curiosity supposedly killed the cat. Personally it think was the algorithm
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Curiosity supposedly killed the cat. Personally it think was the algorithm

It just used one of nine.
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Alright get this, among other stories, a nasa doctor since the original seven once told me that president Johnson stormed out of a room ranting when informed that there were doubles in place in case a particular mission went wrong.
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Can we just get to the Dolly Parton bit, - and some body include photos
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Easy answer - if it were faked the spaceships would have looked a lot cooler
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You can still check if the mirrors are there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna...ing_experiment
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By the way, be careful with YouTube, their algorithms show you increasingly extreme videos related the the first one you've selected, e.g. a film about jogging leads very quickly to films about long distance ultra running.
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Occam's Razor: Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Which has fewer assumptions?

That NASA actually made not one, but several lunar landings over the course of a decade?

Or that NASA faked the landings, and managed to keep the secret until this day with literally thousands of people remaining silent?


As both a research scientist and a devout Christian I have integrated Occams Razor into my thinking no matter the subject. The evidence demands a verdict. The details on a subject are more difficult and have to be worked out, but explanations tend to follow Occamís principle.

The father of a friend growing up thought me all about how to rebuild Chevys, hotrod engines, and the like. He was the environmental systems engineer on Apollo 13. You can hear his deep Texas drawl on the NASA recordings. Every few years that NASA team would have a reunion somewhere. Neil Armstrong would go to them. Itís all real.


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I reckon it's true, I think some company promoted a watch on the strength of it - might have been Omega or some such.....
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By the way, be careful with YouTube, their algorithms show you increasingly extreme videos related the the first one you've selected, e.g. a film about jogging leads very quickly to films about long distance ultra running.
Same holds true with Facebook.
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Still nobody has answered Neils last question, is the World flat ?
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Same holds true with Facebook.
Its seems the same all over the internet. You can click on a link showing an attractive member of the opposite sex and before you know it your being shown soft porn that then leads to hard porn that then leads to talking on vidio cams that then leads to meet ups that then leads to paying out lots of money for weekends away in expensive country retreats that then leads to............well you get the picture, the above is what a friend tells me anyway
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Its seems the same all over the internet. You can click on a link showing an attractive member of the opposite sex and before you know it your being shown soft porn that then leads to hard porn that then leads to talking on vidio cams that then leads to meet ups that then leads to paying out lots of money for weekends away in expensive country retreats that then leads to............well you get the picture, the above is what a friend tells me anyway
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Its seems the same all over the internet. You can click on a link showing an attractive member of the opposite sex and before you know it your being shown soft porn that then leads to hard porn that then leads to talking on vidio cams that then leads to meet ups that then leads to paying out lots of money for weekends away in expensive country retreats that then leads to............well you get the picture, the above is what a friend tells me anyway
what was the initial website you started out with?
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