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it's too big.
Too much money. Too much corruption.
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it's too big.
Too much money. Too much corruption.

Then more to follow in the pros.
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They're debating whether or not to give college athletes their due share of profits from use of their names. I've read stories of college athletes barely able to afford food, yet they see people wearing $140 jerseys with their name on the back.
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Yet it is crazy, and a conference commissioner can make 4.5 million a year is just batshit crazy.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-a-conference/
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Yet it is crazy, and a conference commissioner can make 4.5 million a year is just batshit crazy.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-a-conference/

But as long as "fans" fork over the ticket money, the beat goes on.
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But as long as "fans" fork over the ticket money, the beat goes on.
Yes, as long as there are spectators willing to pay to watch, whether in person or on TV or on internet, this 'game' will continue to be a big business. I went to a pac10 school and followed the team for many years but not anymore.
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I've often thought and have commented, when you think: Ohio State, what do you think? Football. Florida State? Football. University of Oregon? Ducks (Football). USC? (besides admissions scandal) Trojans - Football. Seton Hall? Basketball. Kentucky? Basketball. Penn State (football and scandal). Indiana basketball.

Yale - Education. University of Chicago - Education. MIT - Education and research. Cambridge - education.

You get my point. At large number of American universities the focus appears to be shifting from education and more towards sports, money and revenue. Yet education costs continue to rise faster than just about anything else.

just my opinion. sore subject for me.
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I've often thought and have commented, when you think: Ohio State, what do you think? Football. Florida State? Football. University of Oregon? Ducks (Football). USC? (besides admissions scandal) Trojans - Football. Seton Hall? Basketball. Kentucky? Basketball. Penn State (football and scandal). Indiana basketball.

Yale - Education. University of Chicago - Education. MIT - Education and research. Cambridge - education.

You get my point. At large number of American universities the focus appears to be shifting from education and more towards sports, money and revenue. Yet education costs continue to rise faster than just about anything else.

just my opinion. sore subject for me.
Good observation. And a sore subject for me as well.

I know a few recent college graduates (children of relatives and acquaintances) whose ultimate choice of college came down to which schools had the best sports teams. And these were generally affluent kids with decent grades who had some options. I have to believe that universities, as they compete for students, are aware of this. It probably doesn’t matter so much to the Ivy League schools — who don’t give athletic scholarships as such, preferring other types of financial aid — or that group of universities who only accept 10 - 20% of applicants anyway. But for the next tier down, I think it’s probably a big deal, both for student recruitment and financial “development” (less euphemistically known as fund-raising).

That said, it’s noteworthy that the egregious examples of corruption lately typically concern football and basketball — two sports where the NCAA is, with a wink and a nod from the NFL and NBA — the de facto minor league. Some percentage of college athletes — and coaches, for that matter — are on a career path to the pro leagues. And education, per se, really doesn’t enter into the equation.

This leaves the NCAA in the completely untenable — and undeniably hypocritical — position of defending a notion of “amateurism” that is at odds with their actual function. We’ve seen somewhat analogous situations in the past, in other sports. Tennis went through this in the 1960’s, prior to the advent of the Open era. And the Olympics suffered through “shamateurism” for much longer before opening competition to professional athletes. I don’t know what the answer is for football or basketball, short of a baseball-style system of professional minor leagues. But the NCAA model clearly does not work.

FWIW, I’d argue that there is less corruption in the NFL or NBA than in the NCAA. Not because there is less bad behavior, just fewer rules and a relative lack of pretense. Note that I said “relative,” not absolute.

Sorry if this got long-winded. As I said, it’s kind of a sore subject
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Good observation. And a sore subject for me as well.

I know a few recent college graduates (children of relatives and acquaintances) whose ultimate choice of college came down to which schools had the best sports teams. And these were generally affluent kids with decent grades who had some options. I have to believe that universities, as they compete for students, are aware of this. It probably doesn’t matter so much to the Ivy League schools — who don’t give athletic scholarships as such, preferring other types of financial aid — or that group of universities who only accept 10 - 20% of applicants anyway. But for the next tier down, I think it’s probably a big deal, both for student recruitment and financial “development” (less euphemistically known as fund-raising).

That said, it’s noteworthy that the egregious examples of corruption lately typically concern football and basketball — two sports where the NCAA is, with a wink and a nod from the NFL and NBA — the de facto minor league. Some percentage of college athletes — and coaches, for that matter — are on a career path to the pro leagues. And education, per se, really doesn’t enter into the equation.

This leaves the NCAA in the completely untenable — and undeniably hypocritical — position of defending a notion of “amateurism” that is at odds with their actual function. We’ve seen somewhat analogous situations in the past, in other sports. Tennis went through this in the 1960’s, prior to the advent of the Open era. And the Olympics suffered through “shamateurism” for much longer before opening competition to professional athletes. I don’t know what the answer is for football or basketball, short of a baseball-style system of professional minor leagues. But the NCAA model clearly does not work.

FWIW, I’d argue that there is less corruption in the NFL or NBA than in the NCAA. Not because there is less bad behavior, just fewer rules and a relative lack of pretense. Note that I said “relative,” not absolute.

Sorry if this got long-winded. As I said, it’s kind of a sore subject
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I don't disagree with anything you say. And in fairness I'm sure there are a number of positive arguments to be made regarding the entire subject.

However, the incestuous relationship that exists between college sports / NCAA / Pro Sports and let's not forget the hundreds of millions of dollars in merchandise/athletic wear and endorsements make the entire ecosystem fairly toxic. As I get older its harder for me to look past all of this that hides in plain sight.
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I think most would agree that something is broken, but how to fix it? Perhaps it will take a change in law (not just NCAA rules) to take college sports back to being purely amateur (no TV contracts, no merchandized deal etc). Some argue that the big college sports help pay for other sports, but I don't buy it, these big sports chew up so much resources from each college that if they just become independent minor league franchise it would not be the end of amateur sports.
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