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Old 05-17-2019, 09:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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That's Japanese for, roughly, let me introduce myself. I would suggest that a moderator move this to the "New Member Introductions" area, except that I'm apparently not permitted to post or reply there.

I suppose the first thing to say is that I am not a watch enthusiast ― in fact, I don't even wear a wristwatch. "How can you be so sure?", you may ask, or "then what are you doing here anyway?"

As to the first question, I'm a coin collector. In fact I'm the secretary of an international society of coin collectors. So, when I look through a 100+ page thread of people touting their new acquisitions, & don't feel much beyond "huh, that's kind of nice", I know.

The second one is a bit more tricky. The best way to explain it is to begin by saying that I have an unfortunate fondness for what UFO cultists call "out-of-place artifacts", & the TV Tropes folks call "schizo-tech" ― stuff that just doesn't fit in a sensible worldview. A couple of months ago, I happened to find, in an estate sale, a wristwatch (sans band) with a lightning-bolt second hand, & "Benrus Technipower Electronic" on the dial. For a buck, I bought it, out of sheer curiosity.

I soon learned that I had acquired a battery-powered balance-wheel movement. Now I was intrigued! As mentioned, I don't wear a wristwatch. I just don't find it comfortable or convenient. I have a quite nice Citizen Eco-Drive, black dial, day & date, gold-tone case, hands, & hour markers (numerals at 12, 4, & 8, which I quite like), & when I first got it, I wore it pretty regularly for a couple of years. You can tell, because it's on a metal spring bracelet : the original leather strap disintegrated pretty rapidly, in contact with my skin.

Really I feel more of a pocket watch type of guy, although I haven't actually had one since I was a teenager. Most regrettably, I lost the one customized for my by my grandfather, who was a fine jewelery engraver. Anyway, once I became aware that such a thing as an electronic balance-wheel watch existed, I began investigating whether there were pocket models.

Now, since I'm not a watch collector, what I want is something that's accessible. I'm not searching for the Holy Grail here. It has to be available for sale, without spending years on the hunt, & below a certain price ceiling. Some investigation, aided by the gentlemen who run a couple of excellent "fan sites" dedicated mostly to Citizen & Seiko mechanical wrist watches, led me to the conclusion that (aside from one very odd model from Tissot) most of the pieces likely to meet my criteria belonged to those two brands. Citizen in particular produced quite a number of models (I have reasonable confidence of 12, plus at least one with a tuning-fork movement), & as a bonus, some of those were branded "Cosmotron" ― which, aside from being the name of an early particle accelerator, just plain sounds awesome. "Let me consult my Cosmotron" is definitely something I need an excuse to say!

Anyway, I joined the forum here (not without difficulty) because there aren't any sites for the specific thing I'm most interested, so the resources here are at least generally relevant.

Things to know about me :
  • I was one of the principal subjects of the 2012 documentary Lunarcy!
  • I am a big fan of classic Japanese animation, with a library of over 700 LaserDiscs which I use to give shows at conventions, notably A-Kon annually for more than a decade
  • You will never get in a bidding war with me on Popular Auction Site ― sure I use them (having some familiarity with the language, I prefer Yahoo Japan over eBay, because while the sellers on both sites make life difficult for buyers, on YHJ the site itself doesn't do that), but when I see an item I want, I immediately bid the maximum I'm willing to pay, then leave it alone, so if you are one of those folks who likes to bid up to find the other party's maximum, congratulations, you're buying it ― of course, that assumes you want what I'm in the market for to begin with, which is quite unlikely
  • I don't own a "smart phone". I prefer not to carry any kind of "mobile device". Ideally, my personal transistor count would be 1, in the pocket watch, but this is hard to achieve because of "chip cards".

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Old 05-17-2019, 09:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to SCWF!There are also quite a few Seiko Elnix Electronic watches around. Please do show what you have
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Welcome to SCWF!There are also quite a few Seiko Elnix Electronic watches around. Please do show what you have
Oddly enough, I'm currently in Germany, of all places. When I get home, the plan is that my new acquisitions* will go to my local watchmaker for cleaning, lubrication, & adjustment. By then, hopefully, I will have a working digital camera again : my current one (which I rescued from a junk bin several years ago) has begun to eat memory cards.

*which I shall enumerate in a further post in this thread… but not quite yet.
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Old 05-18-2019, 02:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think you might enjoy wearing a watch on your wrist if you could find a strap that you liked...you mentioned a leather strap and a bracelet, but there are other options.

Maybe try a Nato strap or a handmade canvas strap..or one of the new super soft silicone rubber dive straps

I'm just thinking that someplace deep down, you're a watch enthusiast at heart.. I think we all are...we just don't all know it yet.

Welcome to the forum! Hope you find your stay enjoyable...and even if you don't turn out to be a watch enthusiast, I know all of us here appreciate the diversity that members like you bring to the table.

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Interesting ... prior to your arrival I had no idea that a such thing existed as an electronic balance-wheel movement, much less a pocket watch powered by such a device. I guess that technological evolution, like its natural counterpart, occasionally produces some quirky results.

To wit, a couple days ago I replaced the battery in my dad’s 1971 Bulova Accuquartz ... which I think might be the only movement to use both a tuning fork and a quartz oscillator.
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Welcome, you might be interested in..............coin watches.
seriously google them.
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Well, I now have four Citizens (0810 Cosmotron movement), three Seikos (one 37A aka EL-370, two 0702 Elnix), one Tissot (with the ubiquitous ESA 9154 movement), & one Accutron… all currently in the hands of the local watchmaker. So I am waiting to hear his views.

It's funny, with all the people I see every day wearing dinner plates on their wrists, these pocket watches are mostly a good bit smaller!
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Well, I now have four Citizens (0810 Cosmotron movement), three Seikos (one 37A aka EL-370, two 0702 Elnix), one Tissot (with the ubiquitous ESA 9154 movement), & one Accutron… all currently in the hands of the local watchmaker. So I am waiting to hear his views.

It's funny, with all the people I see every day wearing dinner plates on their wrists, these pocket watches are mostly a good bit smaller!
Some nice pick ups, I saw your other posts. You're hooked now. We do not have a support group as we see it as incurable. Now some antique fobs and chains to accessorize.

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Some nice pick ups, I saw your other posts. You're hooked now. We do not have a support group as we see it as incurable. Now some antique fobs and chains to accessorize.
In truth, I began looking for a pocket watch in part because, about the time I acquired the Benrus Technipower which got me interested in electronic movements, I also came into possession of a watch-chain which my mother turned up in the long process of going through her late father's effects. The fobs are for the various engineering honor societies at the University of Oklahoma, which he attended in the 1940s (graduating at the age of 17!). So far there's no sign of a watch he might have worn with it. I mean to pair it with the pocket Accutron (gold-filled hunter case).

So far two of the watches I have acquired have come with chains. I'll probably get at least a couple more, but I think there's much to be said in favour of cords, which are very cheap to experiment with. Even if I actually got duplicates of some of the models I like better, in order to have one on a chain & one on a cord, though, I don't anticipate ever having more than about 20. That might get pared down as I try them out, & get a better feel for what I do or don't like to carry. (The bigger problem will be shifting the duplicates which I will inevitably acquire, owing to silly circumstances such as two of the same model being listed by different sellers to end within a minute or two of each other.) That's one good thing about battery watches ― you can leave them for weeks, & when you come back to them, they're running just the same as ever.
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In truth, I began looking for a pocket watch in part because, about the time I acquired the Benrus Technipower which got me interested in electronic movements, I also came into possession of a watch-chain which my mother turned up in the long process of going through her late father's effects. The fobs are for the various engineering honor societies at the University of Oklahoma, which he attended in the 1940s (graduating at the age of 17!). So far there's no sign of a watch he might have worn with it. I mean to pair it with the pocket Accutron (gold-filled hunter case).

So far two of the watches I have acquired have come with chains. I'll probably get at least a couple more, but I think there's much to be said in favour of cords, which are very cheap to experiment with. Even if I actually got duplicates of some of the models I like better, in order to have one on a chain & one on a cord, though, I don't anticipate ever having more than about 20. That might get pared down as I try them out, & get a better feel for what I do or don't like to carry. (The bigger problem will be shifting the duplicates which I will inevitably acquire, owing to silly circumstances such as two of the same model being listed by different sellers to end within a minute or two of each other.) That's one good thing about battery watches ― you can leave them for weeks, & when you come back to them, they're running just the same as ever.
That's great when you have a keep sake such as something form a father or other family member. You'll have to post a pic once you get the whole thing together with the watch. Would love to see it.
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