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Old 09-14-2010, 11:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Original dial or aftermarket on a 6309-604x - value versus appearance?

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I'm wearing the old 6309-6049 tonight (on a new Seiko 22mm calfskin that I really like) and am wondering about something I think about a lot. This watch has a new dial and hands, which it had when I got it, as well as the incorrect caseback. I found a new caseback thanks to a fellow WIS here, and I believe I've found an original dial and hands.


Now, what do you value more: appearance or originality? What is worth more - a nice-looking collectible watch with aftermarket parts, or a collectible watch that's totally original but looking its age (greyed out lume etc)?


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for seiko, i say original all the way. you've got to remember, that as watches go, seiko is a cheap in price and this includes the most desirable of the vintage variety. for the 6309, why not spend the $250-350 to get a nice original? quality ALWAYS trumps quantity =)

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I always go patootie-backwards through life, trying to fill that inside straight. You are correct - save up, find the right example in the right condition, and buy it. Building a classic results in a non-original watch even if you use all original parts, and it'll probably cost just as much as a complete original would have been in the first place.


But now that I'm here, I've got this question to answer. I picked up a very cheap batch of parts from HK with a ton of material - because of my personal vow to stop new purchases until I've done all my projects, I picked up more project material to help me complete what I've already got.


If you look at the diver dials top right, you'll see what appears to be a 6309-704x original dial there - greyish lume. So, in the grand scheme of things, would my 6309 be better off with the new aftermarket dial, or a true original dial?






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Go original. A nice one is not that difficult to find......



You could always use your current one for modding.
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I always go patootie-backwards through life, trying to fill that inside straight. You are correct - save up, find the right example in the right condition, and buy it. Building a classic results in a non-original watch even if you use all original parts, and it'll probably cost just as much as a complete original would have been in the first place.


But now that I'm here, I've got this question to answer. I picked up a very cheap batch of parts from HK with a ton of material - because of my personal vow to stop new purchases until I've done all my projects, I picked up more project material to help me complete what I've already got.


If you look at the diver dials top right, you'll see what appears to be a 6309-704x original dial there - greyish lume. So, in the grand scheme of things, would my 6309 be better off with the new aftermarket dial, or a true original dial?


ahhh ok. well, if you're going to stick to your guns and finish up the projects first, then i say relume that dial. =)

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Go original from me too. I had a slightly similar situation. I knew all the stock advice, (original is worth the $'s) but decided to 'save' some money. I bought a decent looking (but stock photos :-[ ) 6309 out of the phillipenes. Watch is OK ish (30 sec + slow per day; bugs me, by 'fully serviced' I'm thinking is like a euphimism for 'working condition' ), but geeze that lume is SO green - they did not show me that on the photos (and ok on hands at night, but it's rubbish on the dial). The case was buffed and polished, but had a loss of shape, somehow the lug area is different.

Later I stumbled on an all original, slightly dearer, picked it up, and it has a beautiful creamy patina on the hands and markers, none of the grey or mold.

My computer is an ailing 5 y.o. cheapie _ so tricky to post pictures.. but I will try later as difference stark
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Really depends on the individual but for me it's half a dozen versus six. Original is nice, but the after market dials and hands can look very good when sourcing from certain buyers. I have a after market dial from Paulynn_collections and you have to look very close to see that it's not original. The after market dials are getting better all the time.

On a side note my 6309-7049 has a bad caseback with micro pitting. I would love to find out who you sourced you case back from and if they have anymore.
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The ORG and Relumed every time you look you will see the ORG dial /w the Wide Ledge Window
and she will be fresh relumed and IMHO a KEEPER I'm sure there are a few that would rather have the After Market


but the THOUGHT of wanting the ORG will be in the Back of your Mind. If she's worth Keeping then make her nice and NICE means doing what you already know you would like to Have ORG DIAL


Or as many have said you can find very nice ORG 6309s for sale There was a beauty for sale last week Think it was Mike Ms ??


IMHO you put much into your watches and it Shows and I think your ORG is a NICE DIAl
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IMO if you have nothing else the after market ones will suffice but................the original with the bevelled date window just looks so right

With the naked eye and when the watch is on your wrist it is hard to tell but...............you always know it is not correct, thats what gets to me ???
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...............you always know it is not correct, thats what gets to me ???

This is the crux of the matter right there. If you feel this way, always go original (as I do..). If having an aftermarket dial does not harm your relationship with the watch, then no problem. It is how you feel about it that matters..


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I'd rather have a wabi'ed but original dial to an immaculate aftermarket one, no matter how high quality is the aftermarket.


And I would never relume it also, it always leaves imperfections, because it's handmade and will never have the simmetry of the lines that the original one (machine applied) have.
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[color=navy]I'd rather have a wabi'ed but original dial to an immaculate aftermarket one, no matter how high quality is the aftermarket.

I agree as long as it isent a total mess, there is wabi and there is crap.

[color=navy]And I would never relume it also, it always leaves imperfections, because it's handmade and will never have the symmetry of the lines that the original one (machine applied) have.

I agree and disagree, it does really depend on the quality of the re-lume, IMO if the re-Lume is a good job then it breathes new life into a dull dial and gives more pleasure when wearing it. I was just looking at a relumed 6309 dial and IMO it is one of the best relumes i have seen, i would be happy with it
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Thanks for all the replies, gents - I appreciate it!




For me I think it's going to have to be original, even if the original lume isn't as nice looking as the aftermarket dial. I'll know more when the batch gets here. "Original" is something that really means something - aftermarket just isn't ever the same - the dial wasn't there in the Seiko factory - it was made recently. It's the difference between a Rolls Royce and a VW Beetle with a Rolls Royce nose on it. That's extreme, but I kind of feel that way actually.










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The 6309-704x being the Rolls Royce and the aftermarket the beetle right? )


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[color=navy]I'd rather have a wabi'ed but original dial to an immaculate aftermarket one, no matter how high quality is the aftermarket.


I agree as long as it isent a total mess, there is wabi and there is crap.


[color=#ff0000]Absolutely! A patina'ed lume with some 'sun tan' on the dial it's wabi. Mold, rust, peeling off, etc = crap

[color=navy]And I would never relume it also, it always leaves imperfections, because it's handmade and will never have the symmetry of the lines that the original one (machine applied) have.

I agree and disagree, it does really depend on the quality of the re-lume, IMO if the re-Lume is a good job then it breathes new life into a dull dial and gives more pleasure when wearing it. I was just looking at a relumed 6309 dial and IMO it is one of the best relumes i have seen, i would be happy with it


[color=#ff0000]I've yet to see a "factory-like" relume job, untill then...
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The 6309-704x being the Rolls Royce and the aftermarket the beetle right? )

Well, the original 704x dial being the Rolls and the aftermarket being the VW...







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wow, how's THIS for the crappiest repro dial you've ever seen??






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Unbelievable.... what's the hell is a 007 dial doing in a 6309 case :-[ Moreover, hands and bezel insert are crap too.

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wow, how's THIS for the crappiest repro dial you've ever seen??


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