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Old 01-07-2020, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Seiko dial / subdial fixing

I have a 6138-8020 which is in original and good condition except for the sub dial which has come loose around the edges. It doesnt look like flaking paint, but more like a sticker that has come loose around the edges.

Idealy i would like to get it fixed and stabilised. So that nothing goes floating around inside the watch and will also look better again.

Has anyone ever had a similar problem? And what is the best way to go about fixing it? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Never seen something like that before but heat comes to mind. Perhaps warming it up could soften it a bit and with some gentle push and slight adhesive it could get reseated.

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I've never seen one as bad as that.
I'd leave it as the hands aren't catching on it.
It's unlikely that anything will break off and if it does even less likely that part of it will get in the watch - then it would have to get to the going part which is almost impossible.
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That's the paint separating in one piece. If you feel confident enough and want to take the chance, you can try a clear water soluble glue so if you get it on the face it can be wiped off immediately. Use a fine brush to wipe under it with a thin coat and press it back down into place, don't rub it, carefully and gently press it down directly. Chances are it will eventually break into bits and be beyond saving if left alone.
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Have you pressed it at all, could you describe the feel? Paper, plastic, brittle or bendy. Depending on that I'd say a few of the ideas above in combination would be the way. It may actually be an applied decal?. In which case decal setter could work?
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Remove the dial plain, Warm to physical pliability with some humidity and no more...Place saran on top and press down lightly with a pegwood which the edges are angled to match the shape of the subdial, Let cool with saran/peg....Carefully lift said saran and pegwood. Then re evaluate. Less is more first.
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Does it look like that section is applied like a decal after the dial was painted?
Never seen that before
I would think it looks very dry and I would think trying to reattach it might tear it
I honestly dont what to say to advise you
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I would pull the hand off, apply a small amount of some diluted glue and press the piece down using a soft ball or balloon of some sort for even pressure
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The balloon idea is spot on.

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Never seen something like that before but heat comes to mind. Perhaps warming it up could soften it a bit and with some gentle push and slight adhesive it could get reseated.

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Ok with Borgsauce,never seen before.Slowly heat the subdial, apply before a very small amount of glue under with the tip of an oiler.
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It’s definitely a legit dial? It does look so from the font but I know they do some crazy ‘good’ ones these days.

I’ve never see one peel up like that, not that I’ve handled that many but I’ve serviced a few and seen some battered dials. There is one on eBay though that does look almost like it’s bubbled up in the middle of the sub dial.

I know it may sound OTT but if you’re going to glue it down, I’d be inclined to make a weight the exact size of the sub dial with a shamfered edge so it sits perfectly. Only trouble with the balloon idea (which is pretty good) is you won’t be able to see what’s going on and chances are you’ll end up squeezing glue out and smudging it all over the dial or something. At least with an exact size weight you’ll see any glue appear and wipe it off instantly etc.
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Tricky repair if it can be done. Would inserting some lume binder with an oiler and the appropriate die or stamp work here? Something that I thought of was to take all the hands off the dial. Put saran over the dial and take a piece of Rodico and press to the upper sub dial to get the correct shape. Gently warm the dial surface using a hair dryer on low setting, place some lume binder under the edges of the lifted sub dial surface using a small oiler and then place the saran over the dial and use the Rodico piece with impression of the sub dial to push down onto the lower sub dial and hold it in place while the lume binder takes hold. Never attempted this before but my thoughts on possible repair.
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This maybe total overkill but what about vacuum bagging on a micro scale. It would have the added benefit of removing bubbles or trapped gas from under the subdial decal.
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This maybe total overkill but what about vacuum bagging on a micro scale. It would have the added benefit of removing bubbles or trapped gas from under the subdial decal.
You would need to create a vacuum under the peeling paint/decal and only in that void space under the peeling material for it to be effective and 'suck' it back down into place.
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Thanks for all the tips. I got the watch back from my watchmaker yesterday. So i can try to investigage a bit further today.

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It’s definitely a legit dial? It does look so from the font but I know they do some crazy ‘good’ ones these days.
Yea im pretty sure it is an original dial. It looks legit and came from an old and dirty watch with a scratched crystal

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Does it look like that section is applied like a decal after the dial was painted?
Yes that is what it looks like indeed. But that would kind of make sense since it is a different color and structure than the rest of the dial. I bet they painted the whole dial in the white linnen finish. And after that they did the sub dials seperately.
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