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Old 11-13-2019, 06:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been collection vintage Seiko for little while, starting off with digital and vintage quartz, but always kept an eye on the bay for a 'Pogue' to add to my collection. Firstly, it won't come as a surprise to anyone here, but trying to find any in decent condition on eBay that aren't franken or fake is no easy feat. I've become, thanks in part to this forum, quite adapt at spotting fakes quickly - usually replacement crowns and fake dials.

Then, a few weeks ago I finally found one in good condition that I couldn't pick apart. It had the right face/strap/dial combo for the age, the dial looked legit, the lume had blemishes that made it look suitably aged and the crown was original. Neither the case or cover had been polished to a shine, etc...

Now, I'm no expert, so I accept that there's a good chance that I've missed something or gotten one of my assumptions completely wrong.

Having taken the plunge and received it, the only rear concern I have is how perfect the crystal is. There's a small graze on the bottom of the bezel above 12 o'clock which makes it likely that the bezel has been removed at some point. However, the seller did have a very small number of NOS crystals for sale from different models of SEIKO, so it's possible he replaced the crystal prior to sale?

The final thing that made me take the plunge was the seller. He's based in Spain, has had an eBay account since 2002 with a slow trickle of positive feedback and has a very small number of items for sale - mostly photographic equipment and one or two Seiko watch parts and watches. To me this didn't ring any alarm bells.

I'm hoping that my Seiko-sense was tingling for the right reasons and would very much appreciate it if some of the experts here could give it look over.

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Looks good to me. Is the crown set in the time setting position? Bezel looks genuine 100% but I can't be sure if it's period correct. I'd have thought the '76 would have the white box under the 60 mark on the tach scale.

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Looks good to me. Is the crown set in the time setting position? Bezel looks genuine 100% but I can't be sure if it's period correct. I'd have thought the '65 would have the white box under the 60 mark on the tach scale.

The crown is in the indicator ring setting position. Pressing it correctly activates the quickset date change. I understand where you're coming from; it does protrude more than I expected, but all functions work correctly. Do you suspect something's up here?



It's March 76 model. Not sure if that changes anything on whether the white box under the 60 in the Tach' is correct.
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I think that you are ok. This looks like a good watch. Im not sure if the dot over 60 on the tachymeter either for 1976, although that would be my guess. But you never know with Seiko on these issues.

The crown does look like it protrudes a bit too much. I assume it turns the inner bezel? My theory on your watch is that the crown and stem and crystal were changed at some point (if the crown protrusion is real). The AM replacement stems that are sold require the stem to be cut down to the right length. Maybe this wasnt done? But even if this is the case you still have an original watch. I consider crowns and crystals to be replacement items on these. Also, go back on the forum discussions on the R dials and check what was written.

Here are some picks of my March 77 T dial. I wore it today actually. It is completely original except for the crystal. I hope this helps.





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That's useful thanks. Yes, the inner bezel, quick set and time adjust all work correctly. I've had a look into the 6009R dials and everything appears to check out - including the serif 1 on the sub dial.


If what I'm dealing with is only a crystal and crown/stem replacement then I'm happy. It works perfectly so I have nothing to complain about really.


The rest of the watch looks to be in fantastic shape so I consider this to be money well spent if there are no other issues.


I'm inclined to send it off to be serviced by someone familar with the 6139, so maybe I could have them trim the stem correctly?

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That's useful thanks. Yes, the inner bezel, quick set and time adjust all work correctly. I've had a look into the 6009R dials and everything appears to check out - including the serif 1 on the sub dial.


If what I'm dealing with is only a crystal and crown/stem replacement then I'm happy. It works perfectly so I have nothing to complain about really.


The rest of the watch looks to be in fantastic shape so I consider this to be money well spent if there are no other issues.


I'm inclined to send it off to be serviced by someone familar with the 6139, so maybe I could have them trim the stem correctly?


Well, let a couple more folks chime in on the crown first. How does the watch run?

Where in the world do you reside? There are a bunch of folks here who can take a look, diagnose it, and do that simple adjustment if its needed.


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I agree. Trying not to get my hopes up too much too soon.

It runs fine from what I've seen. Winds up easily and runs without interruption until I take it off and leave it to wind down. The chrono also runs without issue and resets to 0 as expected.


I'm in the SW of England. Think cider and the Wurzels.
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Oooh la la she is honest and very well preserved. Quite a good looker. Congrats!

The protruding crown thing is no big deal. If you have OCD and need it tucked in a bit just pull the stem assembly, remove the crown, snip off the littlest bit, use some locktite and spin it back on.

The concern is that the inner ring can start to spin with time adjustment if you do it wrong. And worse yet the day can't be quick set if the stem is too short. And stems run about $30 USD so wrecking 2 or 3 to get it just right can be annoying. Ask me how I know

So don't fool with it just love it as it is you rarely find one that nice at a reasonable price anymore.
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Well this is beginning to sound reassuring! Thanks. I sold by beloved Grand Twin Quartz to buy this so i’d have been pretty disappointed if I’d bought a fake (though I knew the risk I was taking).

I can live with the crown sticking out a little. Your horror story has seen to that.

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She looks lovely to me. Congratulations on entering the 6139 club! Its a slippery slope.


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Oh, just thought about it. Here is a picture of my two 6139s with AM crowns and stems. You can see the distance well from the underside of the watch.



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She looks lovely to me. Congratulations on entering the 6139 club! Its a slippery slope.


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Thanks. My collection keeps on growing. I also have a 6139-7101 on the way. I think the slope's more like a cliff.
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