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Old 11-11-2019, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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These are stunning timepieces.
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Meant to post this earlier but forgot:

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A great watch - I just can't get past that blasted off-center power indicator. Would it have been that hard to tilt it about 45 degrees clockwise (or turn it into something that looks like a sub-second dial) and put it at 6 o'clock? That would actually look good....

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These Grand Seikos have a strange draw to them. When I first learned about them, I couldn't imagine why you'd choose one over the big name Swiss watches in that price range. The brand lacks cachet if you're not into watches. To me the designs looked uninspired - like they had a bunch of nice parts that didn't add up to something greater.
Now I'm really drawn to them. I think the magic is that they're completely unique, but they achieve that without resorting to novelty. They're elegant and classic, without taking styling cues from the archetypal watches of the European tradition that we think of when we picture elegant, classic watches.
Trying to a create a new classic design on a blank sheet of paper is nearly impossible without being derivative, novel or boring, and yet they avoid all three of those pitfalls. Try completing this sentence. "That Grand Seiko looks a lot like a _______". Does any other brand name fill that blank? They take a stolid and somewhat restrictive design language and knead it like clay into dozens of interesting models that are all unique while staying true to the brand and not watering it down.
A good brand pushes a boundary, advancing the art of movement technology, dial design or case finishing. Do any besides Grand Seiko do all three in a single watch... for less than $6,000?
They do asymmetry without novelty, elegance without anachronism, simplicity without boredom. They're understated and at the same time lavish. They grow on you
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Before I ever saw one in the metal I always thought they looked "nice" but once you have held one and seen the dial properly then you can see what all the fuss is about, real quality with a great look.
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I still feel that this dial on the vintage 1970's Grand Quartz is better (the case finish is stunning as well).........I appreciate that the watch technology has advanced immeasurably in the last 42 years but that dial

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I've always liked the 38QT:
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My favourite modern Grand Seiko. Light as a feather, bright Titanium, fabulous snowflake dial, and the wonderful 9R65 Spring Drive movement. What's not to like!

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My favourite modern Grand Seiko. Light as a feather, bright Titanium, fabulous snowflake dial, and the wonderful 9R65 Spring Drive movement. What's not to like!

No Kanji day dial?..........
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Poor mans snow flake

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No Kanji day dial?..........
No, Seiko don't tend to put day wheels on their high-end watches nowadays.
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These Grand Seikos have a strange draw to them. When I first learned about them, I couldn't imagine why you'd choose one over the big name Swiss watches in that price range. The brand lacks cachet if you're not into watches. To me the designs looked uninspired - like they had a bunch of nice parts that didn't add up to something greater.
Now I'm really drawn to them. I think the magic is that they're completely unique, but they achieve that without resorting to novelty. They're elegant and classic, without taking styling cues from the archetypal watches of the European tradition that we think of when we picture elegant, classic watches.
Trying to a create a new classic design on a blank sheet of paper is nearly impossible without being derivative, novel or boring, and yet they avoid all three of those pitfalls. Try completing this sentence. "That Grand Seiko looks a lot like a _______". Does any other brand name fill that blank? They take a stolid and somewhat restrictive design language and knead it like clay into dozens of interesting models that are all unique while staying true to the brand and not watering it down.
A good brand pushes a boundary, advancing the art of movement technology, dial design or case finishing. Do any besides Grand Seiko do all three in a single watch... for less than $6,000?
They do asymmetry without novelty, elegance without anachronism, simplicity without boredom. They're understated and at the same time lavish. They grow on you


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Thanks Bradurani, Good info. to know.
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These Grand Seikos have a strange draw to them. When I first learned about them, I couldn't imagine why you'd choose one over the big name Swiss watches in that price range. The brand lacks cachet if you're not into watches. To me the designs looked uninspired - like they had a bunch of nice parts that didn't add up to something greater.
Now I'm really drawn to them. I think the magic is that they're completely unique, but they achieve that without resorting to novelty. They're elegant and classic, without taking styling cues from the archetypal watches of the European tradition that we think of when we picture elegant, classic watches.
Trying to a create a new classic design on a blank sheet of paper is nearly impossible without being derivative, novel or boring, and yet they avoid all three of those pitfalls. Try completing this sentence. "That Grand Seiko looks a lot like a _______". Does any other brand name fill that blank? They take a stolid and somewhat restrictive design language and knead it like clay into dozens of interesting models that are all unique while staying true to the brand and not watering it down.
A good brand pushes a boundary, advancing the art of movement technology, dial design or case finishing. Do any besides Grand Seiko do all three in a single watch... for less than $6,000?
They do asymmetry without novelty, elegance without anachronism, simplicity without boredom. They're understated and at the same time lavish. They grow on you
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Poor mans snow flake

As seen with my gold version here, prior to sending it back to you John.... (not a bad pair for 45 years old)

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No, Seiko don't tend to put day wheels on their high-end watches nowadays.
I wonder why?
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I wonder why?
Perhaps Seiko assume if you can afford one of there high end models then you know what day it is ?
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Perhaps Seiko assume if you can afford one of there high end models then you know what day it is ?
Come off it John, I would have thought that you, being the same age as me, would appreciate the need to be able to tell what day of the week it was by glancing at your wrist.

In the great scheme of things, luxury watch wise, at 'less than $6000' the Grand Seiko is not that expensive, Patek Philippe's top end watch at $140,000 still does have a day (and a month) indicator window on the dial........

I think it is more about the difficulty of incorporating a day disc in modern movements.......
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Very well done video and a fabulous watch...but when people call the Spring Drive a quartz watch, it makes me see red
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Very well done video and a fabulous watch...but when people call the Spring Drive a quartz watch, it makes me see red


Agreed. Nothing against quartz timepieces but Spring Drive is it’s own technology.


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Agreed. Nothing against quartz timepieces but Spring Drive is it’s own technology.


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I'm not dissing the quartz movements at all, nor mechanical ones or even electronic balance wheel models or units like the Accutron.

Most people simply don't understand that the quartz crystal in the Spring drive does not make it a quartz watch any more than the quartz crystal in the engine management computer in their car makes it a quartz car.

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I'm not dissing the quartz movements at all, nor mechanical ones or even electronic balance wheel models or units like the Accutron.



Most people simply don't understand that the quartz crystal in the Spring drive does not make it a quartz watch any more than the quartz crystal in the engine management computer in their car makes it a quartz car.



The Spring Drive is an awesome piece of engineering that deserves to be recognized for what it is...the very best of the mechanical and electronics world


Yes! I would argue that Spring Drive is the single most impressive horological achievement since the Bulova tuning fork movement.


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