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Old 11-07-2019, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am dealing with a buyer named Beltsy on eBay. I shipped him a clean 6139-6005 which seems perfect to me. He requested a return because the dial code says 6009R but the caseback says 6139-6005. He also claims the endlinks are not correct because they don’t fit perfectly. They are exactly correct for that model as they have no middle bar just as it should for a late 6139. After asking him to explain his full reason for claiming the watch was fake he left me negative feedback claiming I am selling fake watches and lied to him saying it was all original. He later said he would remove the bad feedback when he receives his money back. SMH
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ugh. sorry to hear of your poor experience. Hopefully your watch comes back untampered with .... fingers crossed.
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes now this is now my main concern. Why can’t people just do the research before leaving bad feedback. I am still waiting for him to provide a photo of a 6005 dial code. Lol
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Sorry you went through this - added to my block list!
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Oh the joys of selling to complete morons on eBay! I hope it works out well for you
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Sorry to hear, that numbskull is now on my blocked bidders list. Thanks for the heads-up.

My one and only negative feedback was a guy who bought a perfect King Seiko, broke it, took it to an imposter watchmaker in some mall, had the guy open it, tell him it was broken when he got it, and he called me "rude" for saying his kiosk knucklehead didn't know what he was talking about.
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Sorry to hear it, just one of the many reasons I stopped selling on ebay, I sold a bundle at the watch fairs and perhaps lost a lot of money compared to ebay/forums prices but I had no hassle which to me was worth the hit many times over
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Oh boy, now this from the buyer.

“* The bracelet does not fit the watch * The case back or the dial is not original to the watch. * After having the watch on the watch winder for 6 gours he watch chronograph does not reset back to center. I specifically asked the buyer this before purchase. * Simply need to mail this fake back to the seller, get my money back and then I will consider changing the feedback.”

I must have reset that timer 50 times since I had it, and it always reset to zero��*♂️. Has anyone ever seen this? I obviously have no way to confirm this is happening.
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It's all B.S. to justify its return. Ignore any and all specifics.
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Oh boy, now this from the buyer.

“* The bracelet does not fit the watch * The case back or the dial is not original to the watch. * After having the watch on the watch winder for 6 gours he watch chronograph does not reset back to center. I specifically asked the buyer this before purchase. * Simply need to mail this fake back to the seller, get my money back and then I will consider changing the feedback.”

I must have reset that timer 50 times since I had it, and it always reset to zero��*. Has anyone ever seen this? I obviously have no way to confirm this is happening.
Blackmailing the seller by bringing up feedback goes against eBay policy. I would contact eBay and report the seller. Do not rely on their automated useless response, that will only end up with siding the buyer. Always call and get in touch with a person. Show them the message.

Edit: also I wouldn't be surprised if this buyer did a switcheroo on the chrono wheel or the movement. Probably planned it all along which explains why the chrono hand won't center.

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Blackmailing the seller by bringing up feedback goes against eBay policy. I would contact eBay and report the seller. Do not rely on their automated useless response, that will only end up with siding the buyer. Always call and get in touch with a person. Show them the message.

Edit: also I wouldn't be surprised if this buyer did a switcheroo on the chrono wheel or the movement. Probably planned it all along which explains why the chrono hand won't center.
Yes I did contact them about that earlier today but they said there is nothing they can do about the feedback because there is a not as describe case open. I shouldn’t sell on there but we have a pretty small audience here.

Another funny thing is I had asked him if he was a member here and he never answered but he did tell me his Instagram. I looked at it and complement him on his knife collection. He did have several nice seikos including a blue 6139. When I went back to see if his endlinks fit off on his just to mention that to him he had set his Instagram to private.
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Sounds like serious buyers remorse. Was it quite a nice/pricey one? Maybe he couldn’t really afford it or something.

But I am surprised how many new collectors there are that don’t really know what they’re looking at and rely on other people. It just takes one of their ‘knowledgeable’ mates to say “that should be xyz” and they jump on their high horse.

I hate selling on eBay and feels like a month of holding my breath these days. Worst bit is I only ever sell something nice if I need the money and you feel like you’re waiting for it to be snatched back when you need it.

The latest Instagram Seiko collectors never cease to amaze me the money they’re willing to spend because of “buy the seller” there’s a couple of vintage Seiko sellers who just seem to sell to the same handful of collectors and the prices are insane. They’re literally willing to pay 3 times the price of other outlets.
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Sounds like serious buyers remorse. Was it quite a nice/pricey one? Maybe he couldn’t really afford it or something.

But I am surprised how many new collectors there are that don’t really know what they’re looking at and rely on other people. It just takes one of their ‘knowledgeable’ mates to say “that should be xyz” and they jump on their high horse.

I hate selling on eBay and feels like a month of holding my breath these days. Worst bit is I only ever sell something nice if I need the money and you feel like you’re waiting for it to be snatched back when you need it.

The latest Instagram Seiko collectors never cease to amaze me the money they’re willing to spend because of “buy the seller” there’s a couple of vintage Seiko sellers who just seem to sell to the same handful of collectors and the prices are insane. They’re literally willing to pay 3 times the price of other outlets.
All this ^.
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Sounds like serious buyers remorse. Was it quite a nice/pricey one? Maybe he couldn’t really afford it or something.

But I am surprised how many new collectors there are that don’t really know what they’re looking at and rely on other people. It just takes one of their ‘knowledgeable’ mates to say “that should be xyz” and they jump on their high horse.

I hate selling on eBay and feels like a month of holding my breath these days. Worst bit is I only ever sell something nice if I need the money and you feel like you’re waiting for it to be snatched back when you need it.

The latest Instagram Seiko collectors never cease to amaze me the money they’re willing to spend because of “buy the seller” there’s a couple of vintage Seiko sellers who just seem to sell to the same handful of collectors and the prices are insane. They’re literally willing to pay 3 times the price of other outlets.
Yes it was nice pricey one. We agreed on $700 dollars. And yes I know the feeling. I think they have 45 days now to make a claim. The thing that really gets me is the now a person from eBay decides the case. I have only really tried to fight one other case as a seller and won. I sold a lot of 6139's several years ago as not working broken for parts. The buyer asked to return them for no reason and I let eBay decide and won. I would have no problem accepting a return if anything is off but it is very hard to trust someone that starts off asking for a return because the dial does not say 6005 on it.
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And yes, most of his watches were Rolex, Paneri, Omega, and some really great condition seiko chronos.
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You should see the ebay sub reddit. It just shows how eBay is getting worse everyday. And now you have PayPal keeping the fees too. So any dimwit would come along, hit the BIN, pay up and then change their minds., they get all their money refunded while you got PayPal keeping the fee out of your pocket.
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You should see the ebay sub reddit. It just shows how eBay is getting worse everyday. And now you have PayPal keeping the fees too. So any dimwit would come along, hit the BIN, pay up and then change their minds., they get all their money refunded while you got PayPal keeping the fee out of your pocket.
So really it’s in their financial interest for the sale to go belly up! If they keep the fee (I didn't know that?) then the seller is likely to re-list the item and sell again, PayPal get the same fee again. Surely that’s a load of (I can’t swear can I John?)
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So really it’s in their financial interest for the sale to go belly up! If they keep the fee (I didn't know that?) then the seller is likely to re-list the item and sell again, PayPal get the same fee again. Surely that’s a load of (I can’t swear can I John?)
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They only keep the fee if an item is refunded if they have to step in and make a decision, as far as I know. So if two parties can't come to an agreement and they step in to tell the buyer to return due to it being significantly not as described, then the seller loses the fees. But a conversation with PayPal or Ebay may mean you could have that reversed, not sure.

If an item is sold and the buyer cancels the fees are definitely reversed.
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"Nov 09 The buyer closed the return

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The watch he sold me is not 100% original as he claimed and since he doesnt want to return the watch for a refund I will pay 150 to a local watch maker to install period correct parts. Overall very difficult person to deal with.
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Nov 08
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The attached trails and scans show that the seller knew about the condition and authenticity of the watch.

Nov 08
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I think the attached certificate from a rolex AD says it all. As well as the screen shot of the bracelet pogue."

I woke up Sunday morning and received this.

Buyer closed the return case and is going to have rolex man fix the fake watch for $150. I also never received anything he said he posted about a rolex dealer. The only thing the buyer ever posted was a photo of the endlink and a photo of the dial code. I would of loved to see this. Also Ebay removed the negative feedback.

I wish I knew which Rolex man it was!
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I wish I knew which Rolex man it was!
Here he is,

https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...ever-seen.html
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Lolol the hammering of the second hand is great! This must be him.
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"Nov 09 The buyer closed the return

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The watch he sold me is not 100% original as he claimed and since he doesnt want to return the watch for a refund I will pay 150 to a local watch maker to install period correct parts. Overall very difficult person to deal with.
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Nov 08
The buyer sent you a message
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The attached trails and scans show that the seller knew about the condition and authenticity of the watch.

Nov 08
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I think the attached certificate from a rolex AD says it all. As well as the screen shot of the bracelet pogue."

I woke up Sunday morning and received this.

Buyer closed the return case and is going to have rolex man fix the fake watch for $150. I also never received anything he said he posted about a rolex dealer. The only thing the buyer ever posted was a photo of the endlink and a photo of the dial code. I would of loved to see this. Also Ebay removed the negative feedback.

I wish I knew which Rolex man it was!
Good deal on the feedback removal - I have preemptively reported a few buyers as fraudulent based upon interaction with them and it seems to help in not getting negative feedback. I've often wondered if you report a buyer as fraudulent if it doesn't set certain things in motion, specifically with regards to feedback.

Pretty convenient that a Rolex dealer has the "correct period" parts on-hand for only $150 - he's one lucky fella.
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