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Old 09-24-2019, 11:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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[email protected]@K I've got a lovely super rare 6105 up for trade. I'm here to take that speedy burden off you. Just say it.
I've got my 6105s now! Just saying, I don't think it is unrealistic that such a trade could happen. Especially for a really mint 6105. The ones going for $2k have a little bit of black funk in the corners of the lume, some hand discoloration, etc. I think one that has zero signs of any sort of moisture intrusion would be worth a lot more.
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I've had a 6105 listed here for months for $2400.



It's the upper limit in this market.



I'm in no hurry to move it and when people look at my lower priced watches....it makes them look like bargains (which they are!)
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For what it's worth, I can remember a time when nice examples could be had for $300.-$400. all day. Should have held on to them.
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I currently have two. I sold a beut a few years ago that had a complete workover by Jack, wish I hadn't let it go.

Of the two I still have one is in very nice condition, great case, dial, and insert, keeps decent time. Only problem is the minute and hour hands are aftermarket, one day I'll hunt down an original set.

The other is a bit of a basket case. Decent case, needs a servicing, dial/hands are pretty darn funky, no bezel or click ball, locking peg sheared off.... I'll never get rid of either of them, just love 'em too much.

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For what it's worth, I can remember a time when nice examples could be had for $300.-$400. all day. Should have held on to them.
I get that they were much cheaper back in the day. But we're they also readily available?
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For what it's worth, I can remember a time when nice examples could be had for $300.-$400. all day. Should have held on to them.
I get that they were much cheaper back in the day. But we're they also readily available?
I think really great ones have always been a hard to find. Great case and bezel, sure no problem, beautiful dial and hand, now we are talking rare. These are not nearly as water resistant as they should be, especially over time. As you can't replace the crown seal, the only way to keep them water tight is to replace the crown. And who would have done that? I can tell you, nobody!

So even if they never did a single dive, eventually water makes its way into the case from something as simple as washing your hands with the watch on.

It's the same problem with the 62MAS. Buying a sub-par one is easy. A beautiful one is so much more difficult.
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I think really great ones have always been a hard to find. Great case and bezel, sure no problem, beautiful dial and hand, now we are talking rare. These are not nearly as water resistant as they should be, especially over time. As you can't replace the crown seal, the only way to keep them water tight is to replace the crown. And who would have done that? I can tell you, nobody!

So even if they never did a single dive, eventually water makes its way into the case from something as simple as washing your hands with the watch on.

It's the same problem with the 62MAS. Buying a sub-par one is easy. A beautiful one is so much more difficult.
I agree with Dan, the 6105 and the 62mas are not rare but ones with a perfect dial and hand set are rare-ish and fetch a good price and worth it.

Poor examples have increased in value because of the lack of superb examples and many (imo) have been offered way over price in fact ridiculously high prices.

IMO with all vintage collectable watches it is first and foremost all about the dial closely followed by the dial and then the dial
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I think really great ones have always been a hard to find. Great case and bezel, sure no problem, beautiful dial and hand, now we are talking rare. These are not nearly as water resistant as they should be, especially over time. As you can't replace the crown seal, the only way to keep them water tight is to replace the crown. And who would have done that? I can tell you, nobody!

So even if they never did a single dive, eventually water makes its way into the case from something as simple as washing your hands with the watch on.

It's the same problem with the 62MAS. Buying a sub-par one is easy. A beautiful one is so much more difficult.
Well I'm glad the masses don't realise that. I see a great dial with an honest to God beat up case and crystal and I'm all over it. There's always a chance to find a replacement case/bezel but as you and John have stated: a dial is nearly everything.
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Well I'm glad the masses don't realise that. I see a great dial with an honest to God beat up case and crystal and I'm all over it. There's always a chance to find a replacement case/bezel but as you and John have stated: a dial is nearly everything.
Exactly.

Here is my favourite. This case is so smashed up. It even has weld slag! But my goodness that freaking dial!



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Exactly.

Here is my favourite. This case is so smashed up. It even has weld slag! But my goodness that freaking dial!



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Very nice! A real Daini beauty

Want to guess what's under the crystal here? Just got it in yesterday from YJ and not a spec on the dial. Just a very slight hazing on the hand but nothing that can't be cleaned out.
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[email protected]@K I've got a lovely super rare 6105 up for trade. I'm here to take that speedy burden off you. Just say it.
Here is a 6105 I would consider trading my Speedy for:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
If that is as pristine as they say and from my birth year 1974 to boot, it is mighty tempting!

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I think really great ones have always been a hard to find. Great case and bezel, sure no problem, beautiful dial and hand, now we are talking rare. These are not nearly as water resistant as they should be, especially over time. As you can't replace the crown seal, the only way to keep them water tight is to replace the crown. And who would have done that? I can tell you, nobody!

So even if they never did a single dive, eventually water makes its way into the case from something as simple as washing your hands with the watch on.

It's the same problem with the 62MAS. Buying a sub-par one is easy. A beautiful one is so much more difficult.
I posted about this 6105-8110 many times. That Randall Benson Dr Seiko made. He offered three That he had parts to make ""Hand-wound and Screw down Crown"". I was happy to able to Be One that Did Buy his Offer. I He asked for the best 6105-811x that was had His Offer was contingent on the Person sending His or Hers 6105 811xband said the Nicer you send me the better it will Look at the End of Conversion.Of the two 6105-811x that I have that Hand wind One is this one that Randall made and One other that Pete K in AU Made using the OEM Crown but had to remove the Little Stub that was used to lock the Crown but had very little if any Protection for Water Resistance. The Screw Down Crown I have 100% Faith will be the best protection as far as Crown Water Resistance Like a 6309-704x Only this Crown has Triple gaskets and screws down with Five+ Turns. A Pic

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Default The Three Positions of the 6105-811x That has a Screw Down Crown

I tried to capture the Three Positions of the Screw Down Crown.
First position Unscrew to Pull out and wind
Second position is to set date.
Third Position is to Set Time. Sh



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I tried to capture the Three Positions of the Screw Down Crown.

First position Unscrew to Pull out

Second position is to Wind

Third Position is to Set Time.


So this watch you posted is an OEM case that has had a screw down crown tube attached?


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So this watch you posted is an OEM case that has had a screw down crown tube attached?


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This is the 6105-811x before I sent her to Randall for the conversion.
this is pic is for M84 to answer his question about added Screw Down Crown. Before and after.
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Default 6105-811x. Before the Conversion Of hand wind Screw Down Crown

Last try to post a pic for M84 to show the 6105 before the conversion DSCN2920-1.JPG
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Thanks! Didn’t know this sort of this was even possible.


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Exactly.

Here is my favourite. This case is so smashed up. It even has weld slag! But my goodness that freaking dial!



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Beautiful.

If you ever decide to sell, do let me know.


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