Does this Pogue look legit?

[byscott]

Originally Posted by CombatID

I like how this thread continues to bring up great discussions. I’m in negotiations for this one. We’ll see how it goes. It is original in every way and born on March 1969.

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March ‘69?
JDM?

That’s very cool (well, OK, it is very cool to us watch nerds ;-)

[Amin S]

Originally Posted by Amin S

Seller says this is all original. Does it look legit?

https://m.imgur.com/a/UDOOIdx

Originally Posted by TheTigerUK

To my non expert eyes it looks pretty good, has it been relumed ?

He said it had not been relumed. I went ahead and bought it. After that he took down the pics, so that link is nonfunctional. I'll post pics once I receive it!

[Amin S]

Here’s my new watch. Does everything look as it should? Looks beautiful to me, but I know nothing about these.

[monaco]

Originally Posted by Amin S

Here’s my new watch. Does everything look as it should? Looks beautiful to me, but I know nothing about these.

Everything looks original to me! Great condition.

[CombatID]

From this one picture it looks correct to me. The second hand might be repainted, but I can’t quite tell. I assume the tachymeter is blue and red- hard to tell from the picture? Also, what is the year of the watch?


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[bradurani]

You might have seen this on WRUW already, but wanted to close the loop on my eBay purchase.

Here's my original post with seller's pics: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...ml#post2822977

I sent it to James Greenfield - who goes by uncleluck on the forum. He's in the U.K. (instagram: @greenfield2854). He had previous done a 6139-6020 Pulsations for me and did a great job.
He found one issue when he stripped it down, which is that someone coated the dial with a lacquer at some point. It's only noticeable if you look very closely, so it down't bother me much. The crystal was chipped, so I opted for the acrylic replacement crystal because it has the profile of the original. It bugs me a bit, it's the wrong material, but I have the Klein hardlex crystal on my 6139-6032, and it bugs me a bit that it's the wrong profile, so what can you do?
Overall, it looks fantastic, and I'm completely happy with the way it turned out and recommend James to anyone who needs work on a Seiko chrono.
With the purchase, the service and shipping, I ended up at a bit under $900, which isn't cheap, but certainly not crazy for newly restored watch IMO.

Here it is all finished:

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I love the "Willie" engraving on the clasp, so I call it "Willies Watch". Willie, if you're out there, cheers to you sir!

[CombatID]

Originally Posted by bradurani

You might have seen this on WRUW already, but wanted to close the loop on my eBay purchase.



Here's my original post with seller's pics: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...ml#post2822977



I sent it to James Greenfield - who goes by uncleluck on the forum. He's in the U.K. (instagram: @greenfield2854). He had previous done a 6139-6020 Pulsations for me and did a great job.

He found one issue when he stripped it down, which is that someone coated the dial with a lacquer at some point. It's only noticeable if you look very closely, so it down't bother me much. The crystal was chipped, so I opted for the acrylic replacement crystal because it has the profile of the original. It bugs me a bit, it's the wrong material, but I have the Klein hardlex crystal on my 6139-6032, and it bugs me a bit that it's the wrong profile, so what can you do?

Overall, it looks fantastic, and I'm completely happy with the way it turned out and recommend James to anyone who needs work on a Seiko chrono.

With the purchase, the service and shipping, I ended up at a bit under $900, which isn't cheap, but certainly not crazy for newly restored

I love the "Willie" engraving on the clasp, so I call it "Willies Watch". Willie, if you're out there, cheers to you sir!

This is lovely! Wear it well. You also have reinforced my thesis that a gold dial 6139 will be $800-$1000 on average to purchase and restore.




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[604style]

I made an offer on this 6139-6002. The bracelet is aftermarket but I'm fairly certain the rest looks right, but throwing it out there to the experts. The sellers images are poor quality with poor lighting so it's hard to see the tone of the dial or much of anything else. Any thoughts on the authenticity of this watch? The subdial looks right, but not sure about the 6030R variant dial as I haven't seen many of these. Thanks!

[borgsauce]

Originally Posted by 604style

I made an offer on this 6139-6002. The bracelet is aftermarket but I'm fairly certain the rest looks right, but throwing it out there to the experts. The sellers images are poor quality with poor lighting so it's hard to see the tone of the dial or much of anything else. Any thoughts on the authenticity of this watch? The subdial looks right, but not sure about the 6030R variant dial as I haven't seen many of these. Thanks!

Saw this one earlier, got snatched up real quick. It's hard to tell much from these pictures. Can't you request the seller to send better pictures?

[Jim W]

I would want to see some better close-ups of the dial before bidding large on it.
Is it on eBay?

[604style]

Originally Posted by borgsauce

Saw this one earlier, got snatched up real quick. It's hard to tell much from these pictures. Can't you request the seller to send better pictures?

Ya that was me, saw it early and put in an offer and it was accepted right away.

One more picture from the seller. Probably still inconclusive.

[!van]

Originally Posted by bradurani

You might have seen this on WRUW already, but wanted to close the loop on my eBay purchase.

Here's my original post with seller's pics: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...ml#post2822977

I sent it to James Greenfield - who goes by uncleluck on the forum. He's in the U.K. (instagram: @greenfield2854). He had previous done a 6139-6020 Pulsations for me and did a great job.
He found one issue when he stripped it down, which is that someone coated the dial with a lacquer at some point. It's only noticeable if you look very closely, so it down't bother me much. The crystal was chipped, so I opted for the acrylic replacement crystal because it has the profile of the original. It bugs me a bit, it's the wrong material, but I have the Klein hardlex crystal on my 6139-6032, and it bugs me a bit that it's the wrong profile, so what can you do?
Overall, it looks fantastic, and I'm completely happy with the way it turned out and recommend James to anyone who needs work on a Seiko chrono.
With the purchase, the service and shipping, I ended up at a bit under $900, which isn't cheap, but certainly not crazy for newly restored watch IMO.

Here it is all finished:

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I love the "Willie" engraving on the clasp, so I call it "Willies Watch". Willie, if you're out there, cheers to you sir!

Great looking watch!
I heard before there are some distortions present with Klein hardlex, does anyone know if this is still the case? And what sort of distortion are we talking about?

[byscott]

Did anyone here come away with that July ‘69 JDM 6139-6000 that was on eBay? It got a bit too rich for me, but I haven’t seen too many of these come up for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-Pogue...-/333378001999

Non-running, and the water damage on the hands would be a concern, but the case, dial, bezel, and inner ring all look pretty nice. And I imagine that original bracelet isn’t easy to come by, either.

[bigbluekyle]

Originally Posted by byscott

Did anyone here come away with that July ‘69 JDM 6139-6000 that was on eBay? It got a bit too rich for me, but I haven’t seen too many of these come up for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-Pogue...-/333378001999

Non-running, and the water damage on the hands would be a concern, but the case, dial, bezel, and inner ring all look pretty nice. And I imagine that original bracelet isn’t easy to come by, either.

I saw that one and thought it sold for a reasonable price. The Rust on the Hands was a real concern as it looks like the rust might have also damaged the Dial? The Speed-Timer bracelet looked in good nick but the clasp looks to be a replacement. Overall I think a decent 6000 and with proper Matte Replacement Hands might turn out OK?

[SeikoPsycho2]

Originally Posted by byscott

Did anyone here come away with that July ‘69 JDM 6139-6000 that was on eBay? It got a bit too rich for me, but I haven’t seen too many of these come up for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-Pogue...-/333378001999

Non-running, and the water damage on the hands would be a concern, but the case, dial, bezel, and inner ring all look pretty nice. And I imagine that original bracelet isn’t easy to come by, either.

I was watching it when the bids were in the high 200's. Even at that, the rust was a concern for me. The movement screws all look rusty and with the hands rusted like that the center chrono wheel pinion would probably snap off when the sweep hand is removed. All in all you'll most likely need a complete "A" movement to salvage that watch. I'm my opinion it isn't worth what it sold for.

[bigbluekyle]

Agree with Tom. Too Much of a Gamble on the Watch! I just noticed that the Speed-Timer Clasp is correct - I did not see the markings when I first looked at the photo.

[borgsauce]

Originally Posted by !van

Great looking watch!
I heard before there are some distortions present with Klein hardlex, does anyone know if this is still the case? And what sort of distortion are we talking about?

I would recommend getting the Sternkreuz crystal from CousinsUK as they are true in profile to the original. And half the price.

Originally Posted by 604style

Ya that was me, saw it early and put in an offer and it was accepted right away.

One more picture from the seller. Probably still inconclusive.

It's still not clear. But I'm fairly certain the dial, hands and bezel are original. A good indicator for the dial is to look at the day/date window. Each frame is brushed at a different angle so they should'nt look the same. I have yet to see this replicated on an AM. Also the 140 mark on the bezel, the horizontal stroke on the 4 should almost touch the 0.

[!van]

Originally Posted by borgsauce

I would recommend getting the Sternkreuz crystal from CousinsUK as they are true in profile to the original. And half the price. It's still not clear. But I'm fairly certain the dial, hands and bezel are original. A good indicator for the dial is to look at the day/date window. Each frame is brushed at a different angle so they should'nt look the same. I have yet to see this replicated on an AM. Also the 140 mark on the bezel, the horizontal stroke on the 4 should almost touch the 0.

Great, thanks!
Just one more thing, are these Thai gaskets for 6139-600x from ebay any good?

[borgsauce]

Originally Posted by !van

Great, thanks!
Just one more thing, are these Thai gaskets for 6139-600x from ebay any good?

They are not, the profile is wrong. The 6139-600x caseback gasket is suppose to be a Flat gasket; crown and pusher gaskets are suppose to have a "D" profile.

Check this thread here. Plenty of good information.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/top...ink_source=app

[!van]

Originally Posted by borgsauce

They are not, the profile is wrong. The 6139-600x caseback gasket is suppose to be a Flat gasket; crown and pusher gaskets are suppose to have a "D" profile.

Check this thread here. Plenty of good information.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/top...ink_source=app

Thanks! If I understand well they use 2 pieces combined for the crown, the one you posted should be good for the case back and what about the pushers?


I suppose these aren't any better?

[borgsauce]

Originally Posted by !van

Thanks! If I understand well they use 2 pieces combined for the crown, the one you posted should be good for the case back and what about the pushers?


I suppose these aren't any better?

VTA is good stuff. Adrian is also a member here.

[!van]

Originally Posted by borgsauce

VTA is good stuff. Adrian is also a member here.

All right! In that case, it makes it much easier
Still haven't cought up on all the members doing great stuff for Seiko community out there!

[604style]

Originally Posted by borgsauce

I would recommend getting the Sternkreuz crystal from CousinsUK as they are true in profile to the original. And half the price. It's still not clear. But I'm fairly certain the dial, hands and bezel are original. A good indicator for the dial is to look at the day/date window. Each frame is brushed at a different angle so they should'nt look the same. I have yet to see this replicated on an AM. Also the 140 mark on the bezel, the horizontal stroke on the 4 should almost touch the 0.

Thanks! I will find out shortly and report back.

[604style]

I sent it direct to Guy and here are the photos from him! It looks better than I expected and nothing stands out to me in terms of aftermarket parts.

Originally Posted by borgsauce

It's still not clear. But I'm fairly certain the dial, hands and bezel are original. A good indicator for the dial is to look at the day/date window. Each frame is brushed at a different angle so they should'nt look the same. I have yet to see this replicated on an AM. Also the 140 mark on the bezel, the horizontal stroke on the 4 should almost touch the 0.

[borgsauce]

Originally Posted by 604style

I sent it direct to Guy and here are the photos from him! It looks better than I expected and nothing stands out to me in terms of aftermarket parts.

Looks great. A bit of some TLC from our resident watch doctor is all it needs. Congrats on the purchase