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A320 08-12-2019 08:41 AM

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After spending some time learning about this reference thanks to member's contributions on this forum I plucked up the courage to give my first vintage turtle purchase a go.

This is the first one I've handled in person so any comments are much appreciated.

Beveled date window ✓
Six o'clock marker above Japan 6309 704L T ✓
Suwa symbol above 6 o'clock with Japan A case back ✓
Serial number in correct date range ✓
Flat looking hands (although corroded) ✓
Original finish to upper surface of case ?? Whether refinished.
Bezel insert slanting inwards slightly with large lume pip ✓
Triangle wraps inner edge of bezel insert and slight gap to outside edge ✓
Crown takes about three and a half turns to lock ✓
Crystal flat with frosted edge ✓ original ?

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TheTigerUK 08-12-2019 08:49 AM

Congratulations looks like a nice original early one, crown may have been changed at some time to the newer one.

A320 08-12-2019 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheTigerUK (Post 2808793)
Congratulations looks like a nice original early one, crown may have been changed at some time to the newer one.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm I right in thinking the crown should have the wide spline on it?

TheTigerUK 08-12-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by A320 (Post 2808803)
Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm I right in thinking the crown should have the wide spline on it?

The early ones did have the courser splines which I prefer but doesent matter one bit.

GuyJ 08-12-2019 09:46 AM

Nice. And agree it should have a large spline crown. PM if you want one as I have some available.

Well done for doing your research aswell for what to look for so you end up with a good example like this. The crown can be sorted and the rest looks pretty good.

Seiko Shepherd 08-12-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GuyJ (Post 2808809)
Well done for doing your research


+1 to this [emoji1312]

3366carlos 08-12-2019 10:21 AM

Nice tortoise, how/where did you find it?

DAHASCO 08-12-2019 10:34 AM

Nice Grab ^^^

Reflex 08-12-2019 02:08 PM

Well done. Lovely watch - enjoy it

gtmoore99 08-12-2019 02:55 PM

Looks really nice - well done. Very envious! :-) I'm always on the lookout but not snagged one yet.

seikozen 08-12-2019 06:31 PM

Never tiered of seeing a Newer member Source there first 6309-704x. For some the hands being OEM is reason to keep them as is. For others having OEM nice hands Supersedes having the Hands be OEM to the watch. For me looking at a Nice dial, hands and Insert is my Joy, unless there is an Emotional link to the watch and needs to stay as she is. Wabi does have its Place imho. As time goes by its not all that easy to Find OEM Hands It seems recently the " past 5 years or so, hands are Scarce. IMO what used to take a few days "WTB Hands"may need a Few Months or longer. Not like you can just order OEM parts for most Vintage Seiko's 50+ years old. As time passes the Hunt for Org. Mvt Parts, Bracelets , Straps etc has Directly Effected the Rising Prices of OEM 6309-704x I envy to a point The YOUNGER seiko collector that will be alive to see were the market will go for the 6309,6105, Vintage GS & K.S in Twenty or Thirty years. A Smiling Thought.

A320 08-12-2019 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 3366carlos (Post 2808821)
Nice tortoise, how/where did you find it?

Thanks for everyone's comments.

This one came up on a local buy and sell forum by a pawn broker.

Everything seemed to check out from the couple of pictures provided so I quickly made an offer and it was wrapped up and on it's way to me within the hour!

borgsauce 08-12-2019 09:06 PM

Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c0210913f2.jpg

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A320 08-12-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seikozen (Post 2809015)
For some the hands being OEM is reason to keep them as is. For others having OEM nice hands Supersedes having the Hands be OEM to the watch.

Being new to this reference and never seen one in the flesh I found it difficult to determine from looking at pictures whether the hands are flat or not.

It may sound strange but it gave me some comfort to see the the corroded hands as the chance they were original/OEM improved.

This means there would have been some intrusion of moisture/water into the case. The dial seems to have survived and is in very good condition but not sure how the movement has fared.

Will leave everything as is but will send off for a full service.

Katgirl 08-12-2019 09:22 PM

Very nice. Congrats. Hands appear to be original, based on their condition..


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A320 08-12-2019 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by borgsauce (Post 2809051)
Great fine and congrats! Since the crown was mentioned there is one more thing I thought I should point out. And that's the bezel, not a deal breaker, but just FYI. The bezel might've been replaced at some point as the bezel knurling is different from what I've seen before. The upper row looks abit elongated rather than being boxier. This is something I noticed before on a 7002. But I could be very wrong, maybe someone can chime in on this?

Picture below from a 6309-7049 dated 1977.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c0210913f2.jpg

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Well spotted. I've got the side by side comparison below. I remember reading a post on this. Will go back and find it.

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GuyJ 08-12-2019 10:41 PM

I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.

A320 08-12-2019 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GuyJ (Post 2809077)
I believe there are two different types of machined edging to these rotating rings and that looks good to me. I can certainly remember one NOS possibly late release of the 86019671 ring with the same pattern
And likely a couple of 6309s over the years that looked the same. All looks in keeping. The crown being replaced is one thing that could raise doubts as to the rest but for me I think it is overall very good. Also a 7002 ring wouldn't fit the watch very well, can't remember if too tight or too loose. I tried once and it was one or the other I'm fairly sure.

Thanks for the information Guy.

GuyJ 08-13-2019 06:33 AM

^^ I may be wrong but that's my understanding! :)

DonJ53 08-13-2019 07:12 AM

All my 704#'s bar one, which has a 6105 bezel, have the left version where the undercut cuts fully through the circumferential slots.

GuyJ 08-13-2019 08:44 AM

I've had about 30 of these over the years including 3 NOS bezels, one of which was the subject discussed here and one or two 6309s have matched this.

Some more pics.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...pscilubm18.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ovAzziih.jpg

But believe what you want. For me it's a later production with genuine insert and ring that likely was produced at the time of the 7002 or later, the 7002 ring doesn't fit the 6309/6 afaik....

Vange I'd be happy with the watch and with the large spline crown it'll finish it off nicely. I would say that ring is a later replacement, so not strictly accurate in that sense, however it wouldn't bother me after owning the spare as pictured and handling a few with the same machining.

DonJ53 08-13-2019 09:07 AM

Not 100% true but if I see a bezel with non or few marks and a case with obvious marks (History) I assume it's new to the case. I can't see how a bezel cannot get knocked when the case does.

GuyJ 08-13-2019 09:43 AM

Yeh agreed but we know the crown is incorrect for the date aswell so, bezel likely a replacement later on, too. I thought it was about the authenticity of it. Despite my doubts in the thread I linked I'm of the opinion they are correct...but I mean...if it is fake...well ...:)

seikozen 08-13-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by A320 (Post 2809053)
Being new to this reference and never seen one in the flesh I found it difficult to determine from looking at pictures whether the hands are flat or not.

It may sound strange but it gave me some comfort to see the the corroded hands as the chance they were original/OEM improved.

This means there would have been some intrusion of moisture/water into the case. The dial seems to have survived and is in very good condition but not sure how the movement has fared.

Will leave everything as is but will send off for a full service.

HI Just for Thoughts. I have had and still do have 6309-70x with hands that are starting to show some Blackness Yet the Dial and Movements are Pristine No Sign of Water Intrusion at all. Also how many times do we see Hands that are White and Indices that have Creamy patena and Known to be OEM One Owner watches? The Point is I have read many times that the Lume on the hands May be different than the Lume used on the Dial.? I think its Important to understand That as much as we would like SEIKO to be 100% Factual and Precise That has not been the case. I have had 6309s with 6306 bezels and LOOK 100% OEM Same with Crowns. It may be more so with earlier 1976 to 1979 that being that 6309s and 6306s were issued at same time. Tens of Thousands made each year How??? unlikely would it be that a Crown or bezel was used by Mistake?? Can we really be all that SURE?

DAHASCO 08-13-2019 07:31 PM

Blah, Blah, Blah...The OP's Watch is 100% Seiko factory issued. No replacement parts. Just a wonderful example of Seiko's Best of There Best. :)


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