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Old 08-11-2019, 11:04 AM   #51 (permalink)
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My only principle is that I care what I buy and as a result make less mistakes and put less money in the hands of fakers.
And that's all that really matters. What others buy is their own business
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And that's all that really matters. What others buy is their own business
Disagree. If I own a real one, and you buy a fake, you make mine worth less. Our business is inseparable because we're buying and selling in the same market. That's why fake goods are illegal: to protect the honest from economic harm

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Disagree. If I own a real one, and you buy a fake. You make mine worth less. Our business is inseparable because we're buying and selling in the same market. That's why fake goods are illegal: to protect the honest from economic harm

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Disagree. It happens all the time. Are you worse off? I think not.
Back to my orignal point - what others choose buy is non of our business

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This thread is quite depressing, as it mirrors the society (can it still be called that?) we live in today.
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Is this Debate still going on😜
Seriously I have bigger issues in my life than worrying about Fake Bracelets and what people Buy.


Anyone want some Popcorn 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿It’s Genuine👍😜
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Disagree. If I own a real one, and you buy a fake, you make mine worth less. Our business is inseparable because we're buying and selling in the same market. That's why fake goods are illegal: to protect the honest from economic harm
Take a look at Ebay for a 7002, youll see hundreds of franken/fakes and almost nothing in the way of a genuine one. Have the fakes decreased the value of a genuine 7002? I was paying £75 to £100 for a realy nice 7002 around 3 years back, now they are fetching £200 to £250 and more.
I dont think fakes are driving down prices, quite the opposite. The harder it is to find a genuine item, the more valuable it becomes.
To a certain degree i agree with Guy. If you dont do the research your going to get caught out, especially if your using platforms like
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"That's why fake goods are illegal: to protect the honest from economic harm".


Call me cynical, but its more like, to make sure company profits stay healthy and protect the tax man from econmic harm.
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🤔🤔🤔 You Tell Em Ivor👍
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lol Neilo, that popcorn of yours is definitly repro, it hasnt got Butterkist written on the packaging
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lol Neilo, that popcorn of yours is definitly repro, it hasnt got Butterkist written on the packaging

Neilo's Popcorn is not only Repro It's FAKE.

He's really causing the value of Real Popcorn to Drop. Not only that, but Farmers are going to be put out of business. Their kids are going to go Hungry..............


BTW Neilo, Where can I get some?...............
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Neilo's Popcorn is not only Repro It's FAKE.

He's really causing the value of Real Popcorn to Drop. Not only that, but Farmers are going to be put out of business. Their kids are going to go Hungry..............


BTW Neilo, Where can I get some?...............
It can't be its produced in China !!
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Seeing as we are using scenario's here, lets say that the bracelet company ROWI see a niche market for vintage Seiko bracelets (originally made by Stellux). Rowi approach Seiko and ask permission to produce copies of these bracelets and use the Seiko logo in return for $x.
(unlikely i know)

These im my view would be replica bracelets.


A FAKE is a stolen design from a manufacture without their consent.


The term "replica" is often misused in the wis world by sellers of fake watches and watch related parts to make them appear legitimate. I.E

Its ok to buy a replica but not a fake.
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synonyms: copy, model, duplicate, reproduction, replication; More
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Weird I see nothing regarding a manufactures approval.
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Weird I see nothing regarding a manufactures approval.

Your quite right, i dont see manufacturers approval mentioned there either.
Neither do i see the word "fake" mentioned.
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Gents I’m loving the Reflex Quick fire Answers and at the same time all relating to the Beliefs you have regarding the Fake/Repro issue.
Made me laugh out loud Guys!! 👍


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Gents I’m loving the Reflex Quick fire Answers and at the same time all relating to the Beliefs you have regarding the Fake/Repro issue.
Made me laugh out loud Guys!! ��


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In my movie theatre the popcorn costs more than the ticket for admission. I thought outrageous but I really wanted the popcorn so I was willing to pay the price. Extra butter Please
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Your quite right, i dont see manufacturers approval mentioned there either.
Neither do i see the word "fake" mentioned.
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What??? Manufactures do not authorize replica's being made of their products. A replica is a stolen design from a manufacture without their consent.
Neither did I. But now that you mention it:
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Basically at the end of the day its down to the individual, what ever makes you happy, life is to short just make sure you leave a note with the watches when you pass on so the next guy knows its not OEM
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John, ive bequeathed all my 7002's to you, as i know just how much you love them.
Good luck reading the notes, my handwriting is diabolical and im too tight to buy genuine ink cartridges for the printer.
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John, ive bequeathed all my 7002's to you, as i know just how much you love them.
Good luck reading the notes, my handwriting is diabolical and im too tight to buy genuine ink cartridges for the printer.


Hilarious. I bet JB is so overwhelmed with joy at the moment he doesn’t know how to respond.
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John, ive bequeathed all my 7002's to you, as i know just how much you love them.
Good luck reading the notes, my handwriting is diabolical and im too tight to buy genuine ink cartridges for the printer.
Thanks Ivor i've come over all emotional and have tears in my eyes
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In my movie theatre the popcorn costs more than the ticket for admission. I thought outrageous but I really wanted the popcorn so I was willing to pay the price. Extra butter Please
Movie theatres are an interesting study in economics. Basically when a movie is just released most of the ticket sale goes back to the movie studios (The percentage varies from country to country). Every week the movie stays in the theatre a larger percentage of the ticket sale goes to the theatre. Theatres love a move that has legs and hate movies that only last a week or two before no one turns up.

Anyway, food and drink sales form an important part of theatre profitability.
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Anyway, food and drink sales form an important part of theatre profitability.
I'm not exactly sure if the Butter on the Popcorn was real or Imitation Butter (I don't even know what Fake Butter is?) but I know for certain that the movie theatre made a lot of $$$ from my attendance
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I apologize if any of you took offense to my microeconomic screed. It wasn't meant to be personal. The mere fact that we're having this debate is proof we're united by our love for these ridiculous old wind-up toys. Even though I know almost nothing about you all except how much hair you have on your wrists, I think you're all awesome, and hope you all enjoyed this joust as much as I have and didn't take it too seriously.
Enjoy your watches on whatever bracelets you choose to wear. I look forward to more knowledge sharing, wrist shots and occasional heated debates.

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I've been sitting here reading this and keep going back to the auction that says he only has one left and I'm sitting here trying to think if I should snatch it because it may fit one of my 6138 while y'all are arguing about this?

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An amazing array of viewpoints. I'm trying to take it all in. Perhaps a slice of what was the best comic strip of its time can help.
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