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I am Doby and this is my first post at this fantastic forum.
I just found an old C022 given to me by a dear relative who has passed on so I want to get it working to use and cherish both the watch and the memory of it's original owner. After replacing the batteries I found that the digital section works well but the analog part seems dead or at least not moving. The hands can be set manually with the crown though. One other defect is that after setting it in dive mode it only shows the last logged depth and time. The active depth mode where the depth should be blinking is not possible to set. The pusher is working for sure as it can toggle between dive depth alarm, dive time alarm etc.

I also have a fully functioning C028 and noticed that if one of the batteries is removed it acts exactly the same as the C022 meaning the digital section works, the hands does not move and if Dive mode is engaged it also does not show the blinking current depth. If the same battery is removed on the C022 nothing changes. Perhaps the third battery is not making contact to the board? Other than that there is no signs of battery leakage. It seems in much better condition than my C028

I have not dared to tear into the board or movement yet as I am sure there must be lots of dos and donts. I did try to reset the watch after installing all three batteries and tried to nudge the second hand, but it did not even stutter.

Does anyone know how the batteries are connected? Are they wired in parallel or are they separate and each powering a dedicated circuit? If in parallel I could perhaps "jumper' the battery somehow just to see if it works before tearing out the PCB.

Are there any guides or tech manuals for these watches? I googled like crazy and found nada.

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Aloha Doby

Hi Doby I notice you have a Aqualand Posting and welcome to the Aqualand Club.

There are some of us on here that collect these so we can be helpful to you.
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So you have one that does not function but want it going again. These are some what difficult
to find information to them but can be done.

Where are you based .... USA / Asia / Europe ....??

Are you familiar to working on these by any chance.....? If not you need to find out just how to
do it before you go into it.
Now :
According to what you have said you are not getting results to the
...... Hands section right.....?
Be careful with hitting the Hands to get them to move OK especially the Sweep Second Hand.
If you have put new Batteries into it and still only the Digital works it is most likely the Movement might be not working or the PCB Board itself.

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Also if you do not know about these do not touch the movement for stripping it down until you find just how it is done.
What it needs First of all is a ....Good Cleaning completely before you try getting it to work to be positive.
Like I have mentioned if not Familiar you need to find out how to do it. Keep in touch if you
want and you can use my email if need to be and even a few pictures with the movement out Front
and back view.
If you don't get to many response to all this just let me know and I will help you where I can.

If you can get clear big pictures that would be great to see.
Email is : [email protected] ...... to send Pictures of the watch.

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Aloha Doby

Hi Doby I notice you have a Aqualand Posting and welcome to the Aqualand Club.

There are some of us on here that collect these so we can be helpful to you.
Note :
So you have one that does not function but want it going again. These are some what difficult
to find information to them but can be done.

Where are you based .... USA / Asia / Europe ....??

Are you familiar to working on these by any chance.....? If not you need to find out just how to
do it before you go into it.
Now :
According to what you have said you are not getting results to the
...... Hands section right.....?
Be careful with hitting the Hands to get them to move OK especially the Sweep Second Hand.
If you have put new Batteries into it and still only the Digital works it is most likely the Movement might be not working or the PCB Board itself.

NOTE:
Also if you do not know about these do not touch the movement for stripping it down until you find just how it is done.
What it needs First of all is a ....Good Cleaning completely before you try getting it to work to be positive.
Like I have mentioned if not Familiar you need to find out how to do it. Keep in touch if you
want and you can use my email if need to be and even a few pictures with the movement out Front
and back view.
If you don't get to many response to all this just let me know and I will help you where I can.

If you can get clear big pictures that would be great to see.
Email is : [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] ...... to send Pictures of the watch.

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Hi Louis,

Thanks for your quick reply! I am in Asia and this is the first time I open any of these or any other analog watch. I do have some experience with underwater instruments and pressure testing etc. I just found a video on Youtube on disassembly (but not the movement) and the only thing obscured was how to get the hands off. Do I need a special tool or just pull them with fingers? Also the video is in Italian and my comprehension is limited to ordering Pizza

Louis, if the movement is blocked by dirt or dried oil, would that stop the depth gauge readout on the LCD? Or are they completely independent of each other? If independent would you not agree it may be a good strategy to first ensure the 3rd battery is getting good contact with the board? Like mentioned if I pull the 3rd battery on a known good C028 the movement stops and the depth gauge read out is disabled while the rest of the digital circuit works so exactly same symptoms as the C022.

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Dirty Analogue Section as Louis stated will be the Analogue problem 👍
The Classic Aqualand CO2X Series are renowned for it.
And No the Depth Sensor is not totally independent from the Digital side as the Sensor has 4 Tiny contact Springs that may also be at fault.
A Battery Compartment (Seeing as there are 3 SR927SW cells) Clean sounds Like itís needed as it also sounds like a Breakdown source.
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Dirty Analogue Section as Louis stated will be the Analogue problem 👍
The Classic Aqualand CO2X Series are renowned for it.
And No the Depth Sensor is not totally independent from the Digital side as the Sensor has 4 Tiny contact Springs that may also be at fault.
A Battery Compartment (Seeing as there are 3 SR927SW cells) Clean sounds Like itís needed as it also sounds like a Breakdown source.
Thanks for your reply Neilo1!

All four springs for the pressure transducer looks in perfect shape and also the four contact pads on the transducer. I cleaned them anyway but it made no difference. The pressure sensor is absolutely tied to the digital section, but what I wonder is if it is dependent on the analog section working.
If not it could be as simple as both the analog section and the pressure transducer needs a bit more juice than only 2 batteries can muster and hence both fail. OR because the movement is stuck it is pulling higher than normal milliamps which starves the pressure transducer. I will check spring tension in the 3rd battery compartment and have a look at the board next and take some pictures while I'm at it.

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If you pulled the crown out to the second click and ‘stopped ‘ the analog movement would this help with your power drain diagnosis?
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If you pulled the crown out to the second click and Ďstopped Ď the analog movement would this help with your power drain diagnosis?
Brilliant idea! Will try that.

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Aloha Doby

When you start to did assemble the ...Movement area be careful with
the stripping of the Gearing.
This will be in sight after you remove the .....PCB Board.
Pictures can be clicked and Double Click to enlarge.

Be careful with those ....Little Plastic Pins .they are very weak and can break.
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Pulling the crown out did not change anything. I measured resistance of all three battery holders between + and - and it is nearly identical the resistance of my working C028. I belive that means at least that the 3rd battery is in fact making contact with the pad on the board.

I also noticed that I can now set my working C028 in active dive mode without the 3rd battery and it also works with the crown out all the way.
The only thing that does not work using only 2 batteries is the movement.

Here is a new thought; perhaps there is a slight difference between C022 and C028 and if there is I might assume active dive mode does not work. Any of you guys with access to a functioning C022 might help.

On the C028 after pressing the dive mode pusher for 2 seconds I get last logged depth steady and letters "D" and "M". After pressing the top left pusher I get flashing "0 m" and the letter "D" indicating it is my current depth and that I am in active dive mode.

On the C022 after pressing the dive mode pusher for 2 seconds I get last logged depth steady and letters "D" and "M". After pressing the top left pusher nothing happens. Is this the same for a known working C022?
The top left pusher works fine as in time mode there is no problems setting time and date.

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Louis,
I have still not got to the PCB since I don't have a tool to pull the hands. If try to pull them with fingers should I pull one at a time or all 3 in the same time? Or better order a tool?

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Two batteries are connected in series (3V) and the third by itself. They all share common ground.
The 3V is for digital and 1.5V for analogue movement.
To diagnose the analogue movement I normally use a quartz tester. If you can detect the 1sec pulse but the hands are not moving then as suggested it's movement clean and oil.
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I have still not got to the PCB since I don't have a tool to pull the hands. If try to pull them with fingers should I pull one at a time or all 3 in the same time?
Or better order the tools ......?

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Hi Doby ,
OK Please Pay close attention if don't know what to do.
OK as you mentioned .......If you can get these Tools you will benefit more and not damage
any parts.

First of all the movement comes out through the back.......Not The Front
If the Crystal is OK and does not need changing ............>>> Leave it alone for now.

Well first you need to remove the Case Back of the Case.

Now the ......Movement is exposed.

Remove all the Screws on the Metal Plate that is on the movement.
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Now Important to do it Split the ....Two Movement Halves carefully.
Side by Side movements till it comes apart.
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If you know what to do with this movement you can proceed to take it all apart ......
BUT If Not ......wait till you get answers about how to d it because it is very have to Know about it.
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Splitting the Movement :
Gently with out damaging the Movement sides pry and lift with a no marring so you can get it out of the case.

Now place it into the .... Movement Holder facing up so the hands can be seen.
Well you could try doing that one at a time using a ... Clear Plastic Film
Cut so you can get it to go underneath close to the the Hands like in
the picture.

But I would highly recommend the right tools.
NOTE :
The Picture shows you just what to do and need to get the hands off.

Now with being very careful you could lift the .... hands out all at once or ... One at a time.
Do Not Bend Them At All ..... .

After you do all that look at the edge around the ....Dial to see how to lift the ...... Dial Off .......
side by side with ........ Notches to be done.
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Keep the Hands / Dial in a safe container.
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Under the Dial is a Loose Plate .......lift it off gently.

Now hands Off remove the Hands Holder Gear and .... watch for a thin Copper Shim on it.

OK :
If you follow the pictures you can do it but carefully.

If not just yet .......Wait and ask more questions.

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Knownothing, Thanks! Very good info!

Louis, Excellent and very clear instructions. Thanks!

I will order the hand puller. Unfortunately it will take 2 weeks to get here and I was just getting excited about proceeding😐. Patience, patience and all that...☺️.

Hey I am over 5 posts so here are some pictures just showing that this watch is in quite good shape for being from 1984.

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C02* instruction manual https://thewatchsite.com/files/Citize...nuals/C021.pdf Theres also a Citizen "Quartz basic technical manual" in the user manual / technical manual section. Hope it helps.
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Could try checking the analogu pulse with a compass
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C02* instruction manual https://thewatchsite.com/files/Citiz...nuals/C021.pdf Theres also a Citizen "Quartz basic technical manual" in the user manual / technical manual section. Hope it helps.
Thanks! Even though this manual does not mention C022 nor C028 it seems reasonable to assume they all operate the same and that the last digit in the model numbers are just denoting accuracy of the pressure sensor or perhaps finish.

It also clearly state that as a safety feature the depth meter display is not accessible when an error with the pressure sensor is detected.

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I think the end numbers are different dependant on reading feet or metres.
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Now the ......Movement is exposed.

Remove all the Screws on the Metal Plate that is on the movement.
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Now Important to do it Split the ....Two Movement Halves carefully.
Side by Side movements till it comes apart.
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Louis, Where you write "movement" do you mean the whole thing inside the green border or do you mean the mid section inside the red border?

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Don’t remove the screws inside the red
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Thanks Lewie! So what do you call the stuff in the red area? Gearing? Gearbox?
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Hi Doby
Doby the center is the gearing area.
The whole piece is the Movement housing .....OK.

If you have taken out the Big outside section them the Movement Housing is what you
have there in the picture.
The Big Plastic Section contains the .....PCB Board for the watch. In order to get into it
you have t remove the ...Metal Plate with those little screws first. But do not place
any thing into it because you can damage the .....PCB Board, just use your finger nail for now
to lift evenly.
The Metal plate has to be removed first.....then the Movement has to be ...... Split to get to
the ...Board.
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But for now do not touch the ...Center section like .....lewie has mentioned if you do not know
what you are doing yet.
There is no problem with asking advice or information about any thing that is how one learns
to do things. But .... Ask First before Doing things.
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If not be careful with what you are doing please keep asking questions and it will be just fine.
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Doby the center is the gearing area.
The whole piece is the Movement housing .....OK.

If you have taken out the Big outside section them the Movement Housing is what you
have there in the picture.
The Big Plastic Section contains the .....PCB Board for the watch. In order to get into it
you have t remove the ...Metal Plate with those little screws first. But do not place
any thing into it because you can damage the .....PCB Board, just use your finger nail for now
to lift evenly.
The Metal plate has to be removed first.....then the Movement has to be ...... Split to get to
the ...Board.
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But for now do not touch the ...Center section like .....lewie has mentioned if you do not know
what you are doing yet.
There is no problem with asking advice or information about any thing that is how one learns
to do things. But .... Ask First before Doing things.
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Question :
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If not be careful with what you are doing please keep asking questions and it will be just fine.
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Thanks for your reply Louis,
As I thought I must take the hands off to get to the PCB behind the dial I have put the watch together again to not get dust into the gearing.
No I have zero experience taking watches apart other than replacing batteries and pressure testing. I fully understand the importance of getting advice from you guys before proceeding. Thinking ahead I have ordered seal kits, good quality screw drivers and the hand removal and setting tools.
I have an ultrasonic cleaner which I guess could be used to clean the gearing.
While waiting for the tools to arrive I try to learn as much as possible.
I enjoy fixing things and my motto is nothing is beyond repair

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Thanks for your reply Louis,
As I thought I must take the hands off to get to the PCB behind the dial I have put the watch together again to not get dust into the gearing.
No I have zero experience taking watches apart other than replacing batteries and pressure testing. I fully understand the importance of getting advice from you guys before proceeding. Thinking ahead I have ordered seal kits, good quality screw drivers and the hand removal and setting tools.
I have an ultrasonic cleaner which I guess could be used to clean the gearing.
While waiting for the tools to arrive I try to learn as much as possible.
I enjoy fixing things and my motto is nothing is beyond repair

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Why donít you just send Louis your watch!!
Trying to do this all by messages ainít going to get you where you need to be?
Do you want the watch Done or Done properly?
Me and Louis have collected these for years and itís a watch that needs proper attention to be done right!!
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Hi Doby,

Doby,
I sent you a P.M. so reply back if you want to about your Aqualand.

I think Neilo's reply would be better for you to follow and a lot safer for your need.
I'll help you out on checking it to see what is wrong on it.
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Why donít you just send Louis your watch!!
Trying to do this all by messages ainít going to get you where you need to be?
Do you want the watch Done or Done properly?
Me and Louis have collected these for years and itís a watch that needs proper attention to be done right!!
Thanks for your advice Neilo1!

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