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Old 08-10-2019, 09:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow The Verdict Is In: 6139 Speedtimer Bracelets

I recently received one of the new "Pricey" aftermarket 6139 Speedtimer bracelets. Was it worth it??


At first glance it looks like a very good reproduction bracelet but lets size it up against an original bracelet and see how it compares............
On top is the new reproduction bracelet. On bottom we have an original bracelet. The only major difference is the number of links. The original has had some links removed.




A closer look at the clasps reveals a slight difference in the size of the Seiko + Sports 5 Text. You probably wouldn't notice the difference unless you compare it side by side with an original.



As we venture into more "In Depth WISdom" when it comes to Speedtimer bracelets it's important to note that there are actually 2 different original versions of the Speedtimer bracelets: The Early Version + the Late Version. From the top side they look identical. From the underside we can note that the early version's end links are stamped 6139 600 while the later version end links are stamped XAA 301. In the photo below we see the Early Version next to the the Aftermarket Version. The end link as been reproduced very well with only a noticeable difference in the font of the stamping.
Early Original on left - Aftermarket on right.




Aftermarket on top, Late original version in middle, and Early version on bottom..............




The second difference we notice is the length of the underside of the clasp. On the early bracelet it is shorter and measures 35mm. On the later Version and the Aftermarket Version it is longer and measures 40mm.
Aftermarket bracelet on top. Early original bracelet on bottom



The 3rd and final difference we notice is on the end link of the bracelet that attaches to the end link for the case. On the Early original version it's just 2 links that are secured to the case end link by the spring bar. On the Late Original version and the Aftermarket version there are actually 2 small tabs that help secure the bracelet to the end link along with the spring bar.
Aftermarket on top - Early original on bottom



Early Original on Left, Late Original in middle, + Aftermarket on right



Aftermarket on top, Late Original in the middle, + Early Original on bottom



Aftermarket on top, Late Original in the middle, + Early Original on bottom



I can't give any exact info regarding when the early Speedtimer bracelet was replaced by the Late Speedtimer bracelet but I can narrow it down a bit. The Early bracelet is from a Speedtimer dated June of 69' while the later version is dated from a Speedtimer from Nov 70'.


What's the Final Verdict? The Aftermarket Speedtimer bracelet is a Very Good reproduction bracelet. Who ever created this bracelet did their homework and the quality of the bracelet is Top Notch! Is it worth what they are asking?? I'd have to say no but hopefully prices will drop as more suppliers come on line. The bracelet I bought was from a seller in the Philippians while it was dropped shipped from Singapore.


There's only one question left in my mind: Who's bracelet is it??........
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This is not aftermarket imo, this is a fake. They should have put a neutral clasp on it.
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Given all the dimensions, the AM bracelet appears to be based on the later original? Noticed that the seller also sells the engraved clasps seperately - not cheap
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I have been waiting for this report. Just like you promised in an earlier thread and very quick to post details and information as you knew many of us were patiently waiting to hear your opinion of the speedtimer bracelet - Thank You. Excellent in depth analysis and comparsion to the originals. And "In Depth" the report certainly is - as deep as anyone could hope for. Exceptional - Thank You!
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I have been waiting for this report. Just like you promised in an earlier thread and very quick to post details and information as you knew many of us were patiently waiting to hear your opinion of the speedtimer bracelet - Thank You. Excellent in depth analysis and comparsion to the originals. And "In Depth" the report certainly is - as deep as anyone could hope for. Exceptional - Thank You!
Well said, my thoughts exactly !
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This is not aftermarket imo, this is a fake. They should have put a neutral clasp on it.

Well, you know what they say: "You Can't Please Everyone"..........
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Here's the real test: are the links interchangeable between the genuine and the replica?

After I make a little progress on "someone's 6139" I'll see if the links interchange and report back..........
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Well, you know what they say: "You Can't Please Everyone"..........
It has always surprised me that a fake watch is not done but most people are fine with fake bracelets or straps.
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but most people are fine with fake bracelets or straps.
I am eternally grateful for reproduction waffle straps - Both Larry Uncle Seiko and Will Jean. There are just not enough original straps remaining to keep all those gorgeous 6105s on everyone's wrist.
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A really good and informative write up Tom, thanks.
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I am eternally grateful for reproduction waffle straps - Both Larry Uncle Seiko and Will Jean. There are just not enough original straps remaining to keep all those gorgeous 6105s on everyone's wrist.
Yes but they dont put a Seiko buckle on them but one with their own logo Thats the difference
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Yes but they dont put a Seiko buckle on them but one with their own logo Thats the difference

How bout we focus on the positive and save that discussion for another thread?........
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Update:
The links do not interchange. There is a slight difference in the width of the small center links. The clip pins are very similar to the original design but I will say they are a tight fit and not so easily removed.
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thanks for the detailed review Tom - well done. It will be up to each person to draw their own conclusions on whether or not this is a "reproduction", "fake", A.M.", etc. etc. and whether the price is worth it.

You put forth a very objective and comprehensive review. Personally, the current asking prices are too much for me, but I have zero problems with the quality and look - I'd put one of these on my watch.

I will be tracking these bracelets closely.
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The links do not interchange. There is a slight difference in the width of the small center links. The clip pins are very similar to the original design but I will say they are a tight fit and not so easily removed.
Thank you for checking that out. Too bad for most of us with short OEMs in our parts drawers.
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If anyone has some short OEMs, I may be interested. I need to measure my wrist.


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thanks for the detailed review Tom - well done. It will be up to each person to draw their own conclusions on whether or not this is a "reproduction", "fake", A.M.", etc. etc. and whether the price is worth it.

You put forth a very objective and comprehensive review. Personally, the current asking prices are too much for me, but I have zero problems with the quality and look - I'd put one of these on my watch.

I will be tracking these bracelets closely.
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Add my voice to the chorus of thanks, Tom. Still wishing he sold the end links alone . And disappointed to hear the links don't interchange... if they did, I'd be able to remove quite a few clasp extenders, and use the endlinks to have another whole bracelet. C'est la vie...
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I will stick with the original!!
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I will stick with the original!!

Easy choice when you have one...........


But, there are a lot of Speedtimers out there that don't have an original bracelet and this is the best alternative.
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I have been staring at Tom's photos and they are extremely helpful but I find it is very hard to judge quality until you have one in your hands. From what I can see the aftermarket 6139 speedtimer bracelet looks like an almost exact copy.

What I find surprising is the quality of the aftermarket bracelet looks like it might even be BETTER than the original. Stamping looks crisp, finishing looks well done, and even comes with proper folded end links.

I would prefer an original speedtimer bracelet but WoW.... that aftermarket bracelet sure looks good!
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I have been staring at Tom's photos and they are extremely helpful but I find it is very hard to judge quality until you have one in your hands. From what I can see the aftermarket 6139 speedtimer bracelet looks like an almost exact copy.

What I find surprising is the quality of the aftermarket bracelet looks like it might even be BETTER than the original. Stamping looks crisp, finishing looks well done, and even comes with proper folded end links.

I would prefer an original speedtimer bracelet but WoW.... that aftermarket bracelet sure looks good!

It is a good looking bracelet and true to the original but one area where it falls short is in the removable sliding clips for link removal. They are similar to the originals which is a good thing but they are extremely tight fitting complicating the removal and installation process.


The wear-ability factor has yet to be tested. That's next........
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In addition to making what looks like a high quality reproduction speedtimer bracelet maybe the manufacturer and seller of the Speedtimer bracelets should also be commended for Not trying to fraudulently sell them as original. The temptation would certainly be great. Yes I agree the price is High but the seller could have extracted far greater sums from Seiko collectors had they been presented differently.
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And we are off,Popcorn Time me thinks😜😜😜🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
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