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I was fortunate enough to pick up a nicely patinized original Suwa dial 6309-7049 from 6/78, on the Bay, for $300.00. It is running strong and very accurate. The only downside was the incorrect bezel insert. I sorted that out, and even managed to not lose the click ball. So, it looks good and performs well. One day I was wearing it and forgot to remove it before my shower. My particular shower is very high pressure and moisture got under the crystal. I managed to dry it out, by leaving it in bright sunlight for 2 days in a row. At first it ran slow, but timing dramatically improved after it was completely dry.
I am wondering if it is worth it to have it repressurized to withstand swimming, showering, etc., or should I just wear it and enjoy? Thoughts, gentlemen?




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Yes,Yes, Yes, but dont swim or shower with it.
Some here will tell you about "waterproofing" is actually all & only about pressure testing, and swimming and showering, puts the watch under different strains & far greater pressure
Most dive watches can handle swimming & showering when new but not after a few years, threads wear housings twist, chemicals & soaps etc.
Love the watch, great find, Good on ya
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I say ... Go for it

Some new gaskets and a pressure test then you can wear it, enjoy it and not worry about it.
If I had somebody local who could pressure test my 6309, it would be in that pool with me.
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For sure Kat, have the gaskets all replaced then get it tested and after it passes use it to swim etc, it was good enough back in the day so why not now ? but its not recommended ever to shower in a watch (imo) even though some do.
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For sure Kat, have the gaskets all replaced then get it tested and after it passes use it to swim etc, it was good enough back in the day so why not now ? but its not recommended ever to shower in a watch (imo) even though some do.


Truthfully, I should have known better, given its age...


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Ö One day I was wearing it and forgot to remove it before my shower. My particular shower is very high pressure and moisture got under the crystal. I managed to dry it out, by leaving it in bright sunlight for 2 days in a row. At first it ran slow, but timing dramatically improved after it was completely dry.Ö
Hmm, that's an advantage of the pocket watch I hadn't thought much about. You'd have to be exceedingly absent-minded indeed, to absent-mindedly carry one into the bath!
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Donít Shower 🚿Seriously??? Once properly pressure tested???
I totally disagree,if a Watch is a Divers Watch with a pressure test done a shower is nothing compared to a Swim or dive with the same watch totally Submerged.
I shower with every one of my Divers and G shocks and not once had a problem,Same as my Freedives over the years down to 158ft and not once an issue with any of my Divers watches with water ingress.
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Donít Shower 🚿Seriously??? Once properly pressure tested???
I totally disagree,if a Watch is a Divers Watch with a pressure test done a shower is nothing compared to a Swim or dive with the same watch totally Submerged.
I shower with every one of my Divers and G shocks and not once had a problem,Same as my Freedives over the years down to 158ft and not once an issue with any of my Divers watches with water ingress.
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Exactly my friend


I am with you guys. I generally swim and shower with my dive watches. People say donít wear in a pool because of the chemicals, donít shower because of the soaps. I never worried about any of that with a modern diver, which is how I accidentally wore the 6309 into the shower.


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[QUOTE=Katgirl;2804323]I am with you guys. I generally swim and shower with my dive watches. People say donít wear in a pool because of the chemicals, donít shower because of the soaps. I never worried about any of that with a modern diver, which is how I accidentally wore the 6309 into the shower.


It's a classic diver and should be treated as such = for safety don't take it in water in which case (pun intended) it won't need to be water pressure tested.



Use your modern divers for swimming.



NEVER take a watch in warm/hot water The warmer the water = the lower density and it can get past seals where cold water wouldn't.

I've seen it happen
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I am with you guys. I generally swim and shower with my dive watches. People say donít wear in a pool because of the chemicals, donít shower because of the soaps. I never worried about any of that with a modern diver, which is how I accidentally wore the 6309 into the shower.


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Kat Seriously though itís like saying Donít shower with a Casio Mudmaster incase Some Soap And Shower spray ruins it??

Any watch worn in a pool with Chlorine or In the Sea with Salt water should be rinsed off with fresh water and most Divers Iíve Dived With did that.
Sea water left Not rinsed usually affects the Bezel Turning with the salt water Drying But a Shower,soap and Shampoo killing a Dive Watch?thatís just ridiculous.

Get that Gorgeous 6309 Some fresh gaskets and then pressure Tested then wear the Bejesus out of it 👍
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You can do what you like with it but if you value it and want to look after it in the best way respect it = don't take it in water
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Can someone please explain why one would shower with a watch other than at a gym or beach when you are just rinsing off? Seriously, why would I bathe wearing a watch? It just makes it harder to wash your wrist. I don't even wear my wedding ring in the shower.
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These are sentimental and valuable things to own. Maybe take the watch off for the time it takes to shower?

Gaskets need replacing or at least should be checked every year or so if diving iirc. What about the temperature changes? Chemicals and oils and so on? How does that affect the gasket?

If you are gonna shower with it in hot steamy water expect to check those seals even sooner, expect the air inside the case to heat up. Expect your lubricants to degrade sooner, expect moist air to be sucked back into the case as it cools, stay in crevices under the rotating ring, expect rust to form, expect parts to wear, the spring to rust in the crown, pitting to develop under the caseback etc etc etc.

I mean, yes it was fine forty years ago, oh but which are the watches everyone wants? Yip, the ones that likely never saw ANY water. Let alone showering...

Knock a crown and you have compromised a seal. Gaskets flatten over time, why do you think they are so flat when you get your "new" vintage watch? You keep getting it wet and hot and dry or damp and that gasket will degrade and flatten sooner.

These were diver's watches with the word RESIST on the dial for a reason. Remember why it changed from Proof to RESIST? Because no watch is fully water proof. And no watch is air proof..... These seals expand and contact. They let in air and air can get out. Moist, or rather humid, air is what the seals protect my watches against.

Take it off. Look after the strap aswell as the watch.
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Guy's explanation of the effects of time, water, and air on watches is by far the Best I have Ever Read
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Every owner chooses how he or she wants to use a watch - It's always Up-To-You and the Risk someone is willing to take with a watch is always an individual choice.

I would never even consider taking a Vintage Diver into the water or even into the shower. I wear my newer SRP when going into the Ocean - No Worries!
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Can someone please explain why one would shower with a watch other than at a gym or beach when you are just rinsing off? Seriously, why would I bathe wearing a watch? It just makes it harder to wash your wrist. I don't even wear my wedding ring in the shower.
I was going to post the same comment but you did it for me! I dont get it either.

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These are sentimental and valuable things to own. Maybe take the watch off for the time it takes to shower?

Gaskets need replacing or at least should be checked every year or so if diving iirc. What about the temperature changes? Chemicals and oils and so on? How does that affect the gasket?

If you are gonna shower with it in hot steamy water expect to check those seals even sooner, expect the air inside the case to heat up. Expect your lubricants to degrade sooner, expect moist air to be sucked back into the case as it cools, stay in crevices under the rotating ring, expect rust to form, expect parts to wear, the spring to rust in the crown, pitting to develop under the caseback etc etc etc.

I mean, yes it was fine forty years ago, oh but which are the watches everyone wants? Yip, the ones that likely never saw ANY water. Let alone showering...

Knock a crown and you have compromised a seal. Gaskets flatten over time, why do you think they are so flat when you get your "new" vintage watch? You keep getting it wet and hot and dry or damp and that gasket will degrade and flatten sooner.

These were diver's watches with the word RESIST on the dial for a reason. Remember why it changed from Proof to RESIST? Because no watch is fully water proof. And no watch is air proof..... These seals expand and contact. They let in air and air can get out. Moist, or rather humid, air is what the seals protect my watches against.

Take it off. Look after the strap aswell as the watch.
Excellent post!

...and a very good reminder for people like me who enjoy wearing their properly restored vintage divers to the fullest as tool watches (for swimming, snorkeling or free diving)...of the effects of time and the other factors on seals and gaskets!
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Get the gaskets changed and pressure test it. You will be fine.

If you takes showers hot enough to make gaskets fail then your skin would be as dried as a lizard.

Enjoy it.
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It was definitely stupid of me to shower with it. It was an oversight. I am fortunate that I did no real damage. I think I will treat it with the respect it deserves and baby it from now on.


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These are sentimental and valuable things to own. Maybe take the watch off for the time it takes to shower?

Gaskets need replacing or at least should be checked every year or so if diving iirc. What about the temperature changes? Chemicals and oils and so on? How does that affect the gasket?

If you are gonna shower with it in hot steamy water expect to check those seals even sooner, expect the air inside the case to heat up. Expect your lubricants to degrade sooner, expect moist air to be sucked back into the case as it cools, stay in crevices under the rotating ring, expect rust to form, expect parts to wear, the spring to rust in the crown, pitting to develop under the caseback etc etc etc.

I mean, yes it was fine forty years ago, oh but which are the watches everyone wants? Yip, the ones that likely never saw ANY water. Let alone showering...

Knock a crown and you have compromised a seal. Gaskets flatten over time, why do you think they are so flat when you get your "new" vintage watch? You keep getting it wet and hot and dry or damp and that gasket will degrade and flatten sooner.

These were diver's watches with the word RESIST on the dial for a reason. Remember why it changed from Proof to RESIST? Because no watch is fully water proof. And no watch is air proof..... These seals expand and contact. They let in air and air can get out. Moist, or rather humid, air is what the seals protect my watches against.

Take it off. Look after the strap aswell as the watch.


Very thorough explanation, Guy. Thanks for your excellent insight.

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Can someone please explain why one would shower with a watch other than at a gym or beach when you are just rinsing off? Seriously, why would I bathe wearing a watch? It just makes it harder to wash your wrist. I don't even wear my wedding ring in the shower.
A valid point, often when i've been grafting when I remove my watch to wash apart from sweat there can be dirt under the strap/head so as above easier to get clean without a watch on (imo).

I water proof all my shoes, even trainers but I never shower in them
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Also another reason to not take a vintage into water is availability of parts. It might be pressure tested but there's always risk. There are just too many external variables that would cause water ingress. You could get tiny droplets in the watch that you wouldn't know about for years only to one day see rust when you take it apart. With modern watches, it's relatively easy to find replacement part or just get another watch.

But with vintage divers its quite the opposite. I'm always tempted to take my vintage into the pool and YES shower with it too as they come out clean and shinny.. but I'd never do it. I have Gshock and a monster for that stuff.

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Personally, I would change all the gaskets presure test and go for it. It's like not driving an old Porsche in the rain.
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What about driving a vintage car every day in and out to work? Maybe stick 100,000 miles on it over a couple of years?
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