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Somewhere I have a nice graphic showing that the density of water from about the coldest a human can endure to about the hottest a human can endure is virtually unchanged, and certainly not changed enough to slip past seals.


No "graphic" then and it wouldn't prove this "certainly not changed enough to slip past seals. "



In practice I have experience with customer's watches that have been fine in cold water but hot water has got past the seals and in some cases ruined the movements and dials etc.



Don't wear classic divers (or any watch you really value / is older / collectible etc) in water

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I wonder how well a watch would fair in Pepsi Max ?
Probably a little better than Coke Classic!
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Almost everyone dislikes cheap crappy aftermarket parts in Vintage Divers (like awful looking AM dials and hand sets). Why are there so many Vintage Divers for sale with cheap horrible looking dial and hand sets.

WATER

Watches were used as intended and Water Intrusion degraded or ruined the Dials and Hand Sets. Sure many of the watches were probably not properly cared for by their owners and gaskets were not regularly replaced but they were still ruined because of:

WATER

The hard to find all original examples of Vintage Divers that have survived in excellent condition are here because they were either NEVER used in the Water or those that were in water were carefully maintained by their previous owners. Original Examples in Excellent Condition are becoming very hard to find and IMO should be kept that way. The only way to assure that Vintage Divers are kept in Excellent Condition is to properly maintain them including new gaskets and.... Not use them in Water. Wear them with Pride but Why Take the Risk with them in the Water.

Does anyone want to see MORE cheap crappy aftermarket Dials and Hand Sets in Vintage Divers?

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Almost everyone dislikes cheap crappy aftermarket parts in Vintage Divers (like awful looking AM dials and hand sets). Why are there so many Vintage Divers for sale with cheap horrible looking dial and hand sets.

WATER

Watches were used as intended and Water Intrusion degraded or ruined the Dials and Hand Sets. Sure many of the watches were probably not properly cared for by their owners and gaskets were not regularly replaced but they were still ruined because of:

WATER

The hard to find all original examples of Vintage Divers that have survived in excellent condition are here because they were either NEVER used in the Water or those that were in water were carefully maintained by their previous owners. Original Examples in Excellent Condition are becoming very hard to find and IMO should be kept that way. The only way to assure that Vintage Divers are kept in Excellent Condition is to properly maintain them including new gaskets and.... Not use them in Water. Wear the Hell out of them but Why Take the Risk with them in the Water.

Does anyone want to see MORE cheap crappy aftermarket Dials and Hand Sets in Vintage Divers?


Now that makes sense. I have plenty of newer dive watches for water activities, so I shall change the gaskets (a set of all 3 genuine Seiko gaskets for the 6309 is $30.00.) I will order them and have my watch repair guy install them, then keep the watch dry.


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As soon as I get a new to me Vintage Diver in the first thing I do is inspect the movement and then install a new caseback gasket. Some may ask why I even bother changing caseback gaskets if I never intend to use the watch in water?

I live in Thailand where it is always extremely humid and I am concerned moisture and humidity will get into my vintage watches and degrade or discolor the lume. I also store my watches in a temperature controlled air conditioned room and have added silica gel crystals (to absorb extra moisture) in my watch storage boxes.

I do all this to protect the vintage watches even though I know very well that they will never be in the Water. If I care about something I try to maintain it as Best as I can.

I don't care about laptop computers or phones as I look at them as disposable everyday tools. I drop my phone all the time, I spill stuff all over my laptop including bowls of oatmeal in the morning, I rarely clean them. My phones and laptop are crappy looking because I don't care about them. When their useful life is up I throw them away and buy a new one.

For me Vintage Seiko Watches are an entirely different matter and I choose to treat them differently than my phone.

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As soon as I get a new to me Vintage Diver in the first thing I do is inspect the movement and then install a new caseback gasket. Some may ask why I even bother changing caseback gaskets if I never intend to use the watch in water?

I live in Thailand where it is always extremely humid and I am concerned moisture and humidity will get into my vintage watches and degrade or discolor the lume. I also store my watches in a temperature controlled air conditioned room and have added silica gel crystals (to absorb extra moisture) in my watch storage boxes.

I do all this to protect the vintage watches even though I know very well that they will never be in the Water. If I care about something I try to maintain it as Best as I can.

I don't care about laptop computers or phones as I look at them as disposable everyday tools. I drop my phone all the time, I spill stuff all over my laptop including bowls of oatmeal in the morning, I rarely clean them. My phones and laptop are crappy looking because I don't care about them. When their useful life is up I throw them away and buy a new one.

For me Vintage Seiko Watches are an entirely different matter and I choose to treat them differently than my phone.
Kyle, you are not being over cautious. I have experienced watches with supposedly good seals getting fogged up in just normal summer temps with a bit of muggyness to it.
I learned to treat my watches differently after that.
Now that they are all properly gasketed and pressure/depth tested, I don't hesitate wearing them while washing my hands, washing the car, wading in the kiddy pool or getting into water cannon fights.

All that being said, if you are at all hesitant; don't risk it unless you know 100% that your watch is water tight.
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a set of all 3 genuine Seiko gaskets for the 6309 is $30.00.) I will order them


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I can send you some for shipping. A load were made a whle back and whilst running low I can spare a set.
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Kyle, you are not being over cautious.

Thank You! I only recently added the silica gel crystals to my watch boxes as I read about them from another member here on the SCWF.

Where I live in Thailand it is always Hot with High Humidity so adding Silica Gel crystals makes good sense. But I would not recommend silica gel crystals in watch boxes for everyone. I used to live in Colorado with extremely Dry High Desert air. I used to run a lot in Colorado and I would hardly ever sweat because the moisture generated from the Heat from exercise would quickly wick away into the air. Amazing How Dry everything is in Colorado.

Adding Silica Gel Crystals to watch boxes in Colorado would IMO be overly cautious and unnecessary.

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I can send you some for shipping. A load were made a whle back and whilst running low I can spare a set.


That is a very nice gesture, Guy. Thank you very much. PM me with the amount needed to ship to Northern CA, and your PayPal address, if you have one, and I will send you some money and my address.

Kat

P.S. Maybe I should just ship you the watch, let you service it and install the gaskets. I did get moisture in there, after all.



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Get the gaskets changed and pressure test it. You will be fine.

If you takes showers hot enough to make gaskets fail then your skin would be as dried as a lizard.

Enjoy it.
How true indeed!...just think of what kind of temperatures the seals and gaskets of cars endure...however, their proper installation is key to achieve proper sealing!
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Kyle, you are not being over cautious. I have experienced watches with supposedly good seals getting fogged up in just normal summer temps with a bit of muggyness to it.
I learned to treat my watches differently after that.
Now that they are all properly gasketed and pressure/depth tested, I don't hesitate wearing them while washing my hands, washing the car, wading in the kiddy pool or getting into water cannon fights.

All that being said, if you are at all hesitant; don't risk it unless you know 100% that your watch is water tight.
If the seals were good, then they may have been installed improperly...and that's the kind of risk we all have to face!

So, for the risk-averse enthusiasts, Kyle's approach in taking care of his vintage beauties is the way to go!
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Now that makes sense. I have plenty of newer dive watches for water activities, so I shall change the gaskets (a set of all 3 genuine Seiko gaskets for the 6309 is $30.00.) I will order them and have my watch repair guy install them, then keep the watch dry.


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There are four (4) Kat if you want to replace ALL with numbers 1, 2 and 4 being the most important for water proofing (imo).
  1. Case back.
  2. Crown.
  3. Bezel.
  4. Crystal.
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I like to keep mine in ...
hahahaha! good one! i'd put mine in a coke, but then you might not be able to see the watch in such a dark liquid.

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There are four (4) Kat if you want to replace ALL with numbers 1, 2 and 4 being the most important for water proofing (imo).


  1. Case back.
  2. Crown.
  3. Bezel.
  4. Crystal.


Forgot about the bezel gasket.


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Guy is sending me a new set of gaskets, and I found a local watch repair person who has excellent reviews on Yelp. So, I will get it all sorted, including having the movement serviced. I shall then baby it, which it deserves , after being in service since 1978.





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My 2p worth.
All the junk ive bought from hot and humid countrys have moisture damage, pitted case backs, mouldy lume, rust inside the movement, etc etc. Why would that be?
Before anybody shouts "because they were not looked after", i wore a 20 year old 6105 with the crappy lock down crown through all my cave diving days. It was never serviced nor did it get new seals, it was just just used and abused.
The dial is still in nice condition with original lume, though the hands did suffer with a bit of mould, and the movement is rust free.
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Insert, hands and crystal have all been replaced with S/H parts, Dial is original.


A divers watch is designed for diving/water sports, not hot showers.

Water density, Hmm, is the chart above for salt or fresh water? whats the density of steam?



For those that want to draw a vehicle comparison, A Landrover Defender is designed for off road use, and is one of the most capable off road vehicles there is, try driving one around an F1 circuit (yes thats off road) at anything above 30mph and it will end up on its roof.

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My 2p worth.
All the junk ive bought from hot and humid countrys have moisture damage, pitted case backs, mouldy lume, rust inside the movement, etc etc. Why would that be?
Before anybody shouts "because they were not looked after", i wore a 20 year old 6105 with the crappy lock down crown through all my cave diving days. It was never serviced nor did it get new seals, it was just just used and abused.
The dial is still in nice condition with original lume, though the hands did suffer with a bit of mould, and the movement is rust free.
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Insert, hands and crystal have all been replaced with S/H parts, Dial is original.


A divers watch is designed for diving/water sports, not hot showers.

Water density, Hmm, is the chart above for salt or fresh water? whats the density of steam?



For those that want to draw a vehicle comparison, A Landrover Defender is designed for off road use, and is one of the most capable off road vehicles there is, try driving one around an F1 circuit (yes thats off road) at anything above 30mph and it will end up on its roof.


Great looking 6105! I wish they were more reasonably priced. Would love to have one....


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This last weekend, I was wearing my beat up, old 7548 on the boat. I had to dive in the water to clear a fouled prop. Didn't even think about the watch I was wearing. Several minutes in the ocean at snorkel depth.



Against all odds it seems to have survived the ordeal without any drama. It does have all new gaskets fitted. Crystal gasket is original and soft. It is possible to water resist an old watch.
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This last weekend, I was wearing my beat up, old 7548 on the boat. I had to dive in the water to clear a fouled prop. Didn't even think about the watch I was wearing. Several minutes in the ocean at snorkel depth.



Against all odds it seems to have survived the ordeal without any drama. It does have all new gaskets fitted. Crystal gasket is original and soft. It is possible to water resist an old watch.
Seiko UK pressure tested my 7548 in 2017 to 15.76 Bar as part of the service. Before sending it to them I overhauled the case and crown renewing all gaskets informing them that they need not carry out that work. It passed OK, why would it not

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I've previously replaced the gaskets and had one of my 7548s pressure tested without issue. I've swim with it plenty of times since. Nothing to worry about.


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I've previously replaced the gaskets and had one of my 7548s pressure tested without issue. I've swim with it plenty of times since. Nothing to worry about.

Nothing to worry about? With what lives in the water where you live?


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[QUOTE=tritto;2812435]I've previously replaced the gaskets and had one of my 7548s pressure tested without issue. I've swim with it plenty of times since. Nothing to worry about.


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