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Old 07-08-2019, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Having purchased a Cocktail Time for a low price I was rather concerned as to what and why after reading a topic 'Is this Presage genuine' or words to that effect. I think there is a topic on SCWF concerning this issue...somewhere.

There is a company in India modifying Presage watches with AM parts. When you look at them they really do look genuine unless you know the signs...of which there are two, one obvious and one not so. To the uninitiated they appear genuine. Looking at some of the parts they just could be genuine with dubious history. This smacks of the BMW spares being sold on the bay a few years back and think Johnny Cash and his FrankenMotor.

The most obvious sign is the 4R35A movement which does not have the gold colour rotor. The less obvious sign is the crown, it has a straight profile when the OEM is convex. The case, dial and hands look genuine parts...straight from Seiko stores.

These are now filtering into the west and one such 'Presage' has appeared on the bay. It has the obvious signs stated above. The seller has been notified, with proof links to India, but remains silent in the description. I suppose he/she was stung so he/she is going to sting some other poor bugger...and knowingly so.

So beware, Presage's DON'T cost 70 to 100.

Beware of 283540228899.

PS, AFAIK my Cocktail Time is genuine.
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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One of the Indian vendors now notes in his description that these watches are "built" by his own "watchmakers"...FWIW.
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Yes, probably in the basement below the BT call centre.
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