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I also have the one I am looking for a bezel for and thinking of getting that one relumed as well. I want a very white lume for both. Should I do it?
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I also have the one I am looking for a bezel for and thinking of getting that one relumed as well. I want a very white lume for both. Should I do it?
This question comes up often and i think the answer has to be..........

What do you want to do?
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Ha ha... It's a tough debate. On one hand I want to keep the dial untouched, on the other I want it to glow at night becuase the light is dim and requires a button press to see the time. Actually i'm behind the learning curve on this topic. What are the cons? I know the pros but the cons are foggy.
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Personally if i was going to keep the Arnie and i think they are a great "tool" watch for every day wear etc and i wanted lume at night then i would just go ahead and have it relumed but if your intention is to flip it some time soon then i would leave the relume question for the new owner, and lets be honest the Arnie isent the rarest beast on the planet so it is not as though you are tampering with a piece that deserves to be sitting in a museum or shrine some were
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without seeing the watch it's hard to say, but my normal stance on these things is that in the case of dials with printed markers (as opposed to applied markers) relumes never end up looking like the original printed application. If done right, the look good, sure, but the look different. To me this is important, so unless the lume if visually damaged, I tend to leave it alone. Now if the watch required heavy restoration and the dial was not that good to begin with, then relume away.
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Thanks Gents those were to extremely helpful insights!! I need to chew on this one carefully.

I think my near pristine example I will leave alone. She just shipped back out yesterday becuase I was unhappy with the cut on her aftermarket shroud. Decided to have the near perfect original shroud reinstalled on that one.

This one seen below I may ship out and have relumed. Need a cleaner bezel too...

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If you use a good relumer you won't really be able to tell she's been relumed well not until it's dark" 8)

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Love that blue lume!!!! Looks great!
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If I had multiples, I would leave at least 1 alone and play with the others.
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no, i have NEVER seen anyone relume a dial so that the shapes of the markers are perfectly round or perfectly square. the markers would look fine during the day, but the mishapen markers look terrible under the cover of darkness.

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Buy a trit-tube watch for your "sleeping" watch and you'll never look back.
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Hi Sharkman,

Well if the marker shapes are well designed the relume glow can be perfectly consistent.
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Buy a trit-tube watch for your "sleeping" watch and you'll never look back.
Like a Ball? Who else uses trit-tubes?


BTW, Jay, I'd leave the mint H601 and H558's you own as is.
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Like a Ball? Who else uses trit-tubes?

Luminox. Traser. Maybe some others.

Traser quartz are pretty cheap too.
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I agree with Gabe's point. There is a risk the relume will not look 'original' . Just look at relumes of the 6309 dials. Even the best relume work you can still see that its a mod and not original.

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Any opinions on the 6309 below please excuse the removed seconds hand:-








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Looks great IMO! Actually Bry, I am going to PM you today. I heard you do great work and by the looks of that 6309 Lume, it's near perfection.
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Yup I do aim for the best I can do if at all possible.
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WOW!!! outstanding work there Bry


PM being sent as well ;D




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Thanks Gents those were to extremely helpful insights!! I need to chew on this one carefully.

I think my near pristine example I will leave alone.

A wiser man than me once said "A watch is only original ONCE!" but if keeping your less-than-pristine example original means you don't wear it as much, or it doesn't perform as well, then perhaps a rethink of that is in order.



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If you use a good relumer you won't really be able to tell she's been relumed well not until it's dark" 8)

As is often the case, I think I get myself into trouble when I follow a self-made maxim of "look closer". You invited opinions, Bry, of a 6309 relume you did, and while it is masterful in it's consistency and application, it is different than what would have come from Seiko in the late 70's/early 80's. Some people don't mind this, and some people do. Different strokes. Luminous applications done in a factory setting have a certain consistency, texture, bordering, all due to the processes by which they are added to the dial. Using different luminous materials and methods of application will necessitate a different appearance, especially on flat dials without applied or raised hour markers (Let's keep it simple and not talk about those right now). So the below applies to flat dials with flat lume applications directly to the dial itself, not onto or into raised markers.


Looking closer at some 6309 and 7548 dials I have that still maintain their original luminous material, one can see many things about the luminous application that makes it discernible from re-lumes. Regular camera photos don't really catch the level of depth I'm talking about, so I took some shots with one of those cheapo (but pretty cool nonetheless) USB microscopes. All of the following photos are of original luminous material on 6309 and 7548 dials. The texture of the top surface (which is perfectly flat BTW) is almost like sandpaper or a heavy woven linen paper/paper towel. I suspect it might be a side-affect of the application process, perhaps some sort of silk-screening process? It is possible that this varied over time, leading to different appearances depending on what machine or material mixture was used at the time. I enjoy marveling at how how things are made to look the way they look (whether intentional by design or not), whether it be a certain grain of line finish on a case, or the texture of a luminous marker- it is enjoyable for me to consider such things. For those of you who don't enjoy such things, I'm being too picky. So it is.


Even if some one could replicate the physical attributes of original luminous markers like the ones shown below, it would not be as valuable to me as original lume is. That is my opinion. Thank goodness it is only that, as anyone else can then have their own as well.
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While these turned out pretty well (and show more detail than can be had from a normal full-on camera shot), they still don't capture the essence of these markers in 3-dimensional reality. I probably didn't know about this aspect of the luminous on 6309 and 7548-style dials until I got a few originals together to study in the flesh. Photos on the internet don't convey what I now see in person.







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Well said Riley.
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